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Old 08-24-2018, 10:04 AM
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Under the Constitution murder is the unlawful killing of a person with malice aforethought. A fetus (unborn baby) is not a person and cannot be murdered.

While conservatives pass so-called "fetal homicide" laws the actual crime is the assault against the woman, a person, when the fetus dies. Without the assault on the woman there is no crime.

A Constitutional Amendment can change the definition of a "person" but there are considerations because "rights" between the mother, a person, and a fetus, if defined as a person, cannot conflict with each other. The fetus would not gain a natural right until that right no longer conflicted with the existing right of the woman.
Blah-blahblah-blahblah. I think your post is going around trying to bite its tail, especially the part about the woman's rights being in conflict with the unborn's rights. But never mind. Let's get back to the topic of illegal ass holes sneaking into America and having liberal weenies kiss their asses.
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A crime committed by a person can be a horrible thing but the same crime committed under the "color of law" by the government is 1000-times worse.

The role of government is to protect our rights, not violate them, which is why a criminal act by the government is of far greater concern than the same act committed by a person.

Family separation, authorized by the DOJ, DHS, and ICE, was a gross violation of the Constitution's Due Process clause as well as a violation of the immigration laws governing refugees and those seeking asylum. At least one of the children imprisoned by the federal government has died. All of the children separated have suffered irreparable psychological damage that will last a lifetime. The DOJ, DHS, and ICE were all told in advance that this permanent psychological damage would occur with the children and they ignored that information.

There was no justification for the incarceration of the adults seeking political asylum. There was no evidence that they represented either a danger of flight or to the public safety. The moment they requested asylum they were protected from deportation under the law and all deportation proceedings should have been halted. The asylum petition had to address both the adult guardian (parent) and the child together and not separately.

The Trump administration remains in "Contempt of Court" because it failed to reunify the children with their parents by the dates established by a federal court. The federal court has the authority to incarcerate Jeff Sessions for contempt of court until all of the children are reunited with their parents. It could be argued that under the Constitution President Trump could even be incarcerated for Contempt of Court because the Constitution does not provide any protections from the law by the President.

Yes, the death of one person by murder is important but the violations of the Constitutional Rights of thousands of Persons by our own government is of far more importance for our government to address.
Deflect much? Good Grief, try to stay with the topic of the thread why don't you.

But to address part of your off topic post,

WHAT ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF MOLLIE AND HER PARENTS???????

You leftists don't give a fig about actual american citizens.
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Under the Constitution murder is the unlawful killing of a person with malice aforethought. A fetus (unborn baby) is not a person and cannot be murdered.
Not so quick Mr. Darrow

The word "murder' does not appear in the Constitution I do not believe.

I am also pretty certain there was a FEDERAL Law passed in the early 2000's that contained a clause defining all unborn babies as members of the species "homo sapiens" or "homo sapeous"...........or homo something??

That part of that law, makes the supporters of the murdering of unborn homo-sapiens quite nervous, in that it does give Federal recognition of an unborn fetus, as a member of the human race (a person). One would think such would figure in quite heavily should RvW get a serious second look.
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