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Old 08-20-2018, 07:48 PM
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A leading Republican urges reform for Medicare and Social Security as deficits balloon after the GOP's tax cut

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/gop-...ty-reform.html

yeah fix it by putting the stolen money back.
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Default Re: A leading Republican urges reform for Medicare and Social Security as deficits ba

As expected...When I saw the headline "leading Republican", I thought, "It's probably someone I don't remember hearing."...I was correct...

Congressman teve Stivers (R-OH)...He's a representative who has been in office 7 years...He's the chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee for less than two years...NOT the party, itself, mind you...Just the Congress...

Here's a list of the previous chairs...None of whom I recognize...

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The NRCC is always chaired by a Republican member of the House, who may serve up to two consecutive terms. The current chair is Rep. Steve Stivers of Ohio. Former chairmen include Rep. Guy Vander Jagt (1975–1992), Rep. Bill Paxon (1993–1996), Rep. John Linder (1997–1998), Rep. Tom Davis (1999–2002), Rep. Tom Reynolds (2003–2006), Rep. Tom Cole (2007–2008), Rep. Pete Sessions (2009-2012) and Rep. Greg Walden (2013-2016).
And this is what they call "leading Republican"???...
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On top of that, the reform he mentions is to get people OFF of the government dole...

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Stivers: I do think we need to deal with our some of our spending. We've got to try to figure out how to spend less.

Harwood: Entitlements? Social Security, Medicare?

Stivers: Yeah, I mean, what I think we need to do is get some people who are now on government programs jobs, we have more open jobs than we have people on unemployment. So if we could get people to go from unemployment, or a government program, to become a taxpayer, it's a twofer because not only are they getting less government assistance, they probably have a better life economically and they're actually paying taxes.

Harwood: You're talking here about Social Security disability?

Stivers: I'm talking about a lot of programs. A lot of those people, there's a skills gap. You have to give them the skills they need for the jobs that are available today. I don't want to be, you know, mean and kick people off of programs, but the way I'd like to see us do it is in the benefit cliffs and create ramps where the more people earn. It might cost them a little more for their social subsidy, but they actually can keep their Medicaid expansion, or they can keep their housing, but they actually have an incentive to take that pay raise and do better and pay more taxes.

Harwood: Your speaker, Paul Ryan, has said the biggest spending issues are in those big entitlement programs, Medicare and Social Security, as opposed to food stamps or welfare or that sort of thing.

Stivers: They are. And we have 10 million people on Social Security disability now actually, 11 million more than any time in history. And some of those people can't work at all, but many of those people can't work in the job they used to be in. And if we gave them some training, let them keep making a portion of the Social Security disability, but put them back to work, it would be a net win for the individual.
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On top of that, the reform he mentions is to get people OFF of the government dole...
And THAT conversation will be spun as the Republicans (if not Trump personally) want to throw people off disability.


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A leading Republican urges reform for Medicare and Social Security as deficits balloon after the GOP's tax cut

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/gop-...ty-reform.html

yeah fix it by putting the stolen money back.
There is no stolen money laying around to put back. Social security and Medicare are vote buying programs passed by Democrats without consideration of paying for them. Now the bill is coming due but Democrats only response is to attack any reform by claiming Republicans want to throw granny in the gutter.

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Stivers: We need to come together. I think we need to say, "You give a little, we give a little," and figure out how to sustain Medicare and Social Security into the future. The other thing on Medicare is we have to bend the cost curve on health care.
But to the Resistance fueled Democrats there is no coming together, only warfare against Trump.
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And THAT conversation will be spun as the Republicans (if not Trump personally) want to throw people off disability.


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They do. #nospin
look at their history (all except trump-he just blows which way the money flows), and you will see that that is a goal
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On top of that, the reform he mentions is to get people OFF of the government dole...
stivers and the rest need to quit handing money to their buddies and leave entitlements alone. this is a hopeful squeaker they can get in when the real culprit-the tax bill- siphons off more than social security does
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stivers and the rest need to quit handing money to their buddies and leave entitlements alone. this is a hopeful squeaker they can get in when the real culprit-the tax bill- siphons off more than social security does
Please share with us examples of "Stivers and the rest" handing money to their buddies. Or is this just more of your insane ramblings?
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stivers and the rest need to quit handing money to their buddies and leave entitlements alone. this is a hopeful squeaker they can get in when the real culprit-the tax bill- siphons off more than social security does
From what I can tell, it was from 8 years of Obama handing money to his buddies that brought us to this point. Trump inherited it.

Remember, Trump is not beholdin' to people like Obama was.
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There is no stolen money laying around to put back. Social security and Medicare are vote buying programs passed by Democrats without consideration of paying for them. Now the bill is coming due but Democrats only response is to attack any reform by claiming Republicans want to throw granny in the gutter.

But to the Resistance fueled Democrats there is no coming together, only warfare against Trump.
Correct. There's no stolen money. The surplus revenue from Social Security created under Reagan was borrowed by Republicans to fund deficit spending so they could cut income taxes for the wealthy (that didn't need a tax cut).

Today Social Security is no longer generating a surplus and the borrowing has to be paid back from general tax revenues to fund benefits so Republicans cut taxes on the wealthy that's creating a shortfall of $1.4 trillion in revenue over ten years. They continue complain about Social Security spending while Social Security hasn't created a dime of deficit spending since the program was created. Republican tax cuts for the wealthy created deficit spending.

The proposal mentioned does include putting some on Social Security disability back to work but correctly mentions this will require a jobs skills training program because many of the available jobs require skills that people don't have. Others simply don't pay enough or are in other locations that would cost money for people to relocate to. In any case the proposal for disability recipients requires federal funding that Republicans will typically oppose.

We can also note that Reagan did not propose reducing Social Security benefits. Reagan increased the Social Security taxes to not just cover expenditures but to also create a surplus.

There's already a proposal to ensure fully funding for Social Security into the 21st Century with just a minimal tax increase and it also provides a small increase in benefits.

https://larson.house.gov/media-cente...urity-2100-act

Medicare is a tougher nut to crack but as we found with the expansion of Medicaid the costs did not fall on the average worker. A modest increase on high incomes to provide additional funding would ensure the solvency of Medicare/Medicaid without causing any reduction in the lifestyles of the rich and famous.

BTW - This has nothing to do with Trump that's on his way out of office and, short of a future presidential pardon, on his way to prison.
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