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yes cutting tax from an exclusive group is subsidizing that group, be it farmers or welfare moms
Your post is baloney and your signature even more so.
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yes cutting tax from an exclusive group is subsidizing that group, be it farmers or welfare moms
No it is not. You have conflated the meanings of subsidies and tax reductions. Taxes are revenue for the government yes but,,,,,; IT IS OUR MONEY! Therefore cutting taxes means taking less of OUR MONEY. That, dearie, is not by any definition, a subsidy.

Subsidies are grants of cash. Welfare moms get those. But they generally do not pay income taxes so tax cuts would not effect them.

Definition of Subsidy;
NOUN
1.a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

"a farm subsidy" ·

•a sum of money granted to support an arts organization or other undertaking held to be in the public interest.


synonyms: funds · assets · money · capital · resources · cash · wealth ·

•a grant or contribution of money.


synonyms: grant · allowance · endowment · contribution · donation · bursary ·
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historical

a parliamentary grant to the sovereign for state needs.
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No it is not. Taxes are revenue for the government yes but,,,,,; IT IS OUR MONEY! Therefore cutting taxes means taking less of OUR MONEY. That, dearie, is not by any definition, a subsidy.

Definition of Subsidy;
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1.a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

"a farm subsidy" ·

•a sum of money granted to support an arts organization or other undertaking held to be in the public interest.


synonyms: funds · assets · money · capital · resources · cash · wealth ·

•a grant or contribution of money.


synonyms: grant · allowance · endowment · contribution · donation · bursary ·
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a parliamentary grant to the sovereign for state needs.
Quit saying, "Our money!"
You are not getting a big tax cut. Or a long term reduction in taxes. You are paying to make up the difference that a hundred or a thousand people wont pay. I say 'won't' because they are the ones who bribed their way into this gift.
Even before this give away by the (now defunked Republican) Trump Party, oil and gas co's got a give away. Although they were wealthy beyond belief, and charge whatever they want, we GAVE them subsidies in the form of big tax breaks, let alone the actual grants and sh*t they get.
If you are happy picking up a larger portion of the tab for the defense and infrastructure and all departments of America including travel and salaries of politicians, you are a lot more charitable than you let on.
Where do you think the gap will come from? Number one middle class tax cuts aren't long term and we have yet to see if the new tax plan (deductions etc) will help or hurt them. If you don't have your taxes raised the gap will be filled in the form of fees.
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Same thing happened with Reagan. Tax breaks for the very wealthy and corporations early on in his presidency and no wonder why average income Americans can't keep up with the cost of living. Time for another FDR to level the playing field again?
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Same thing happened with Reagan. Tax breaks for the very wealthy and corporations early on in his presidency and no wonder why average income Americans can't keep up with the cost of living. Time for another FDR to level the playing field again?
Absolutely and one that has the speaking skills and charisma to explain this to the American people. And one not afraid to confront his/her adversaries.
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Quit saying, "Our money!"
You are not getting a big tax cut. Or a long term reduction in taxes. You are paying to make up the difference that a hundred or a thousand people wont pay. I say 'won't' because they are the ones who bribed their way into this gift.
Even before this give away by the (now defunked Republican) Trump Party, oil and gas co's got a give away. Although they were wealthy beyond belief, and charge whatever they want, we GAVE them subsidies in the form of big tax breaks, let alone the actual grants and sh*t they get.
If you are happy picking up a larger portion of the tab for the defense and infrastructure and all departments of America including travel and salaries of politicians, you are a lot more charitable than you let on.
Where do you think the gap will come from? Number one middle class tax cuts aren't long term and we have yet to see if the new tax plan (deductions etc) will help or hurt them. If you don't have your taxes raised the gap will be filled in the form of fees.
I don't know about you, but I received a tax cut and that meant that I was able to keep more of MY MONEY! I don't receive money from any level of government and therefore do not receive subsidies.

So tell me how I am not keeping more of MY MONEY! Or are you such a partisan hack that you cannot admit this simple fact. You don't have to agree it was the right thing to do, but at the very least you should be honest enough to understand the difference between tax payers paying less of THEIR MONEY to the government versus people or groups (companies, organizations) receiving subsidies.
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Quit saying, "Our money!"
You are not getting a big tax cut. Or a long term reduction in taxes. You are paying to make up the difference that a hundred or a thousand people wont pay. I say 'won't' because they are the ones who bribed their way into this gift.
Even before this give away by the (now defunked Republican) Trump Party, oil and gas co's got a give away. Although they were wealthy beyond belief, and charge whatever they want, we GAVE them subsidies in the form of big tax breaks, let alone the actual grants and sh*t they get.
If you are happy picking up a larger portion of the tab for the defense and infrastructure and all departments of America including travel and salaries of politicians, you are a lot more charitable than you let on.
Where do you think the gap will come from? Number one middle class tax cuts aren't long term and we have yet to see if the new tax plan (deductions etc) will help or hurt them. If you don't have your taxes raised the gap will be filled in the form of fees.
Why? It is OUR money. We the people. From where do you think government revenues originate? Such vacuity reduces your following comments to useless illogical blabber. It would seem, in order to vilify what you don't like or understand, you believe in ideologies over substance.


As usual, in a vain, self serving, attempt to disprove the obvious known realities, you make no sense.
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Why? It is OUR money. We the people. From where do you think government revenues originate? Such vacuity reduces your following comments to useless illogical blabber. It would seem, in order to vilify what you don't like or understand, you believe in ideologies over substance.


As usual, in a vain attempt to disprove the obvious known realities, you make no sense.
You are not looking at it right. All property belongs to the collective. The will of the collective is expressed by the government. Therefore any money you make belongs to the government, "you didn't build that". Anything you are allowed to keep is a "subsidy."

Ocasio-castro, the future of the Democrat party, subscribes to the Democratic Socialist policy that profit should be outlawed. It is only slightly more toxic than Bernie Sanders socialists or Progressive Democracts bellowing about the rich paying their fair share.
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Same thing happened with Reagan. Tax breaks for the very wealthy and corporations early on in his presidency and no wonder why average income Americans can't keep up with the cost of living. Time for another FDR to level the playing field again?
Bullsh!t. Reagan's policies, once implemented gave most Americans and the USA 18 years of general prosperity. Which the Bush 41 and 43 presidencies squandered. And thanks to Clintonian trade policies, higher taxes and fees, and overregulation of manufacturing industry and mining, the American working class, the middle class, suffered job losses and income reduction from 200 to 2017.

To be blunt, the very socialization of our nation has caused the decline for the people socialism purports to help. But, never does.

Not once in the history of mankind has socialism ever worked, much less endured, for the long term benefit of those who live under it. Alexandria is a rich kid who thinks and believes as she was taught, never having actual experienced with the results of what she preaches. And vapid arguments about Big corporation greed versus Big government greed won't change that reality.
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