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Supreme Corut ruiled against the Unions forcing people to pay fees.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/fo...r=010502ndz7l0

.............dealing a serious financial blow to organized labor.
The court's conservative majority scrapped a 41-year-old decision that had allowed states to require that public employees pay some fees to unions that represent them, even if the workers choose not to join........
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Interesting....

I wonder if the employees forfeit the wages, vacations and work rules set up by the unions and companies prior....


If you dont want to pay dues fine, cut your own deal with the company, no union benefits....
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Interesting....

I wonder if the employees forfeit the wages, vacations and work rules set up by the unions and companies prior....
Why should they? They performed the services or functions required for the agreed upon payment for those services. It is irrelevant how that pay rate was negotiated.

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If you dont want to pay dues fine, cut your own deal with the company, no union benefits....
I'm sure that those that don't want to be part of the union would be happy to do so. However, there is no company to negotiate with as this ruling only applies to government employee unions.
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I'm sure that those that don't want to be part of the union would be happy to do so. However, there is no company to negotiate with as this ruling only applies to government employee unions.
Why should they? They performed the services or functions required for the agreed upon payment for those services. It is irrelevant how that pay rate was negotiated.

Too many were forced to make those payments whether or not they agreed.

I've got a question as to why private sector and public sector employees are treated differently.

No one, public or private, should be forced to join a club to participate in the labor pool.
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a.)Why should they? They performed the services or functions required for the agreed upon payment for those services. It is irrelevant how that pay rate was negotiated.



b.) I'm sure that those that don't want to be part of the union would be happy to do so. However, there is no company to negotiate with as this ruling only applies to government employee unions.
a.) If they don't want to pay union dues, they shouldn't get any pre-negoatiated pay, vacation or work rule benefits....

b.) I understand that segment of union labor is different than others.....
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No one, public or private, should be forced to join a club to participate in the labor pool.
No one is forced....

If you don't want to be in a union, find another place to work.....


Some jobs are all union regardless for all sorts of collective bargaining reasons....

If that monthly due hurts too much, find another line of work......
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a.) If they don't want to pay union dues, they shouldn't get any pre-negoatiated pay, vacation or work rule benefits....

b.) I understand that segment of union labor is different than others.....
I took several jobs when I was younger where the wages were not negotiated by a union. I still received adequate and reasonable pay along with vacations comparable with those in unions doing the same job. The difference was, I didn't have to pay a union rep for anything. I showed up every day, did my job and didn't create problems. For that, I was fairly compensated.

As a school board president that had to negotiate with the teachers and non-classified unions, I can tell you that the union regulations tied our hands when we wanted to recognize individuals that went over and above their job duties. We were not allowed to do anything for a superior performer than we did for the worst worker on the payroll. Also, I personally knew a few teachers and others in the school that didn't want anything to do with the union and would have left it if they could. I bet they are happy with this ruling.
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No one is forced....

If you don't want to be in a union, find another place to work.....
When you are dealing with a government job, it should not be a requirement that a condition of employment is membership if a club (union). The money used to pay that job is tax payer money. Government employment should be open to any citizen that his qualified to do the work.


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Some jobs are all union regardless for all sorts of collective bargaining reasons....

If that monthly due hurts too much, find another line of work......
If the job is not funded by the taxpayers, I agree. However, taxpayer money should not be prefaced with having to join a club (union). And for those that I know, the dollar amount of the dues was not the issue. It was that those dues were going to fund political campaigns of candidates with whom they disagreed; hence the ruling that being required to join a union is a violation of a persons first amendment rights of freedom of speech (dues going to opposition candidates) and freedom of association (or freedom not to associate with the union). The ruling was correct.
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Interesting....

I wonder if the employees forfeit the wages, vacations and work rules set up by the unions and companies prior....


If you dont want to pay dues fine, cut your own deal with the company, no union benefits....
Unionized government workers don't mix well with the needs of the people to be serviced. They have pensions beyond what the job is worth in the private sector, plus an inability to be held accountable for poor performance. Even FDR ,champion of progressive socialism, claimed that unions in government was a bad idea.

Despite their lip service to the subject unions no longer provide superior craftsmanship or performance for which they were once lauded as a superior source of labor. Instead they provide job security for those who often do not deserve to maintain their employment for one more day's pay.

And that's just the beginning. I was once a shop steward and labor organizer. Now as a manager or owner, I've been on both sides. Virtually nothing done on a daily basis between union and management is aimed at accomplishing the success for which the labor was hired. this most certainly true in gubmit service.
Best recent example; State office worker turned me away twice for missing documents on a car sale. Once because I didn't have the signature of both owners. There was only one owner and one named TOD.

Seems it was her mission to turn me down so as not to have to do any actual work for the people she served.

Time of Death transfers the title to an named NEW OWNER.

Took both problems to a private contractor license office. The clerk spent 20 minutes making phone calls, mostly to inform the state office he had called of the law. The only difference between the two offices? One was unionized.

No business, except the gubmit, can survive providing such surly service.
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