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Old 06-29-2018, 08:06 AM
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On the other hand, if you're a worthless piece of trash who refuses to perform their duties correctly, neglects those you are supposed to care for and generally make yourself a threat to the patients, some union lawyer will defend you and make it almost impossible to fire your worthless a*s.
This is nonsense. Where do people come up with this crap?

As I noted in a previous post I've been management where the union represented employees. I've had a "worthless piece of trash" that simply refused to perform their duties correctly. We addressed the problem with the union because the contract with the union makes the union responsible for the performance of the worker. The union was unable to bring the employee's work up to the standards where they would be performing their duties correctly and the employee was terminated with the consent of the union.

The union doesn't want its members not performing their duties correctly and if a problem exists the union is the first place management needs to go to address this problem if it exists. People should read the union contracts because employee performance is typically a responsibility of the union and is contained in the contract.
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:38 AM
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This is nonsense. Where do people come up with this crap?

Good question, regarding 99 percent of your posts. Do people really think some worthless pile of crap working for the VA will not utilize a lawyer provided by his "union", to save his ass?
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This is nonsense. Where do people come up with this crap?

As I noted in a previous post I've been management where the union represented employees. I've had a "worthless piece of trash" that simply refused to perform their duties correctly. We addressed the problem with the union because the contract with the union makes the union responsible for the performance of the worker. The union was unable to bring the employee's work up to the standards where they would be performing their duties correctly and the employee was terminated with the consent of the union.

The union doesn't want its members not performing their duties correctly and if a problem exists the union is the first place management needs to go to address this problem if it exists. People should read the union contracts because employee performance is typically a responsibility of the union and is contained in the contract.
I have actually worked for a union. The union will shield any worker from management as long as it possibly can. Whether that individual is worth it or not isn't even a question the union bothers to ask. A perfect point is the NYC teachers. Many removed from class for lack of performance and even criminal acts, but they can't be fired because the union protects them.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:27 AM
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This is nonsense. Where do people come up with this crap?

As I noted in a previous post I've been management where the union represented employees. I've had a "worthless piece of trash" that simply refused to perform their duties correctly. We addressed the problem with the union because the contract with the union makes the union responsible for the performance of the worker. The union was unable to bring the employee's work up to the standards where they would be performing their duties correctly and the employee was terminated with the consent of the union.

The union doesn't want its members not performing their duties correctly and if a problem exists the union is the first place management needs to go to address this problem if it exists. People should read the union contracts because employee performance is typically a responsibility of the union and is contained in the contract.
You've obviously not been around too many union shops. The only thing the union cares about is keeping as many people working and paying dues as possible. They could care less if a single worker is worthless. I'll even go so far to say that the more worthless workers they have, the more that need to be hired to cover for them, increasing the number of workers thus increasing the revenue from union dues.
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Can someone explain why Government unions are allowed to give millions of dollars in campaign contributions to the people that vote them raises and bigger pensions?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but government unions do not negotiate with business owners. They contribute to politicians that extort tax payer money from you and I for raises and higher pensions.

Who is it that protects our money? I'll tell ya, NO ONE! Unions give money to politicians, and politicians give unions what they want. Has anyone here EVER had a say in those decisions? HELL NO!

Maybe you liberals that think this practice is good, should send extra money from your pocket to the unions if you like it so friggin much.
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Maybe you liberals that think this practice is good, should send extra money from your pocket to the unions if you like it so friggin much.
The liberal is a liberal because he is very generous with other people's money. He can't help it.

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On the other hand, if you're a worthless piece of trash who refuses to perform their duties correctly, neglects those you are supposed to care for and generally make yourself a threat to the patients, some union lawyer will defend you and make it almost impossible to fire your worthless a*s.
as a union employee I testified against a fellow union employee who neglected a patient. the employee was let go and as the patient had to have surgery as a result of the neglect, may be still in jail. It was a long time ago and I never kept up with the case. these outcomes I heard third party later on.
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Can someone explain why Government unions are allowed to give millions of dollars in campaign contributions to the people that vote them raises and bigger pensions?

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The Citizens United Supreme Court decision
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The Citizens United Supreme Court decision
Nope...

That was a PRIVATE citizen case where the Dems were trying to block their PRIVATE movie...
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Nope...

That was a PRIVATE citizen case where the Dems were trying to block their PRIVATE movie...
I read it applies to <<money>> amounts etc whoever gives them
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