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It’s unanimous: The five living former and present first ladies have all weighed in on the issue of separating children from families arriving without documentation for entry at the U.S. border, whether invoking asylum or otherwise. And all five women oppose it to varying degrees.

Former First Lady Rosalynn Carter, in her role from 1977 to 1981, was the final one to voice her opinion when she released a statement on Monday that recalled her experience with Cambodian refugees fleeing to Thailand. She said, “The practice and policy today of removing children from their parents’ care at our border with Mexico is disgraceful and a shame to our country.”

While the First Lady role has no basis in the Constitution, the position has often led its holder to have a special moral authority above partisan politics. In general, First Ladies speak out only occasionally about heated topics, but, in this case, they have all gone out of their way to share their views.

Laura Bush, wife to George W. Bush, got the ball rolling among First Ladies when she wrote in an Op-Ed at the Washington Post on Sunday that quickly careened around the Internet. “I live in a border state,” she said. “I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.”

First Lady Michelle Obama later linked to Laura Bush’s essay on Twitter with the note, “Sometimes truth transcends party.” Michelle Obama had seemingly struck up a strange-bedfellows’ friendship with the Bushes at a variety of events that brought presidents and wives together.

During a speech on Monday at an awards ceremony for the Women’s Forum of New York, Hillary Clinton said: “What’s happening to families at the border right now is a humanitarian crisis. Every parent who has ever held a child in their arms, every human being with a sense of compassion and decency, should be outraged.” She repeated this in a tweet.

The current holder of the unofficial position, Melania Trump, also released a mild rebuke from her office that said, “Mrs. Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform.”

The Trump administration’s policy to separate families is not required under law, but rather, according to officials, is used as leverage to deter entrance into the country. This policy has swept in those entering in violation of the law without permission and those legally seeking asylum. President Trump and other officials have also stated they are using separation to apply pressure for an immigration reform bill that includes provisions they favor, such as funding for additional and larger areas of wall on the Mexican border.

While Barbara Bush passed away on April 17, 2018, her daughter-in-law Laura Bush noted the elder bush’s embrace of a child dying of HIV/AIDS in Washington, D.C. Laura Bush wrote, “She, who after the death of her 3-year-old daughter knew what it was to lose a child, believed that every child is deserving of human kindness, compassion and love.”
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Melania did not disagree with her husband stating the President Trump is not happy about the separation of children from their parents. And four of the five had Husbands who contributed to the disastrous immigration policies which led to this policy. Which BTW Bush Junior, Obama and Clinton did as is done today.
Carter didn't do crap to help with the immigration issue. In fact he let it become an issue.

BTW, back in 2014 Hillary Clinton spojke out against bringing children to the border saying, "Just because your children cross the border doesn't mean they get to stay."
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Melania did not disagree with her husband stating the President Trump is not happy about the separation of children from their parents.
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/colbertlate...1917986952948/

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And four of the five had Husbands who contributed to the disastrous immigration policies which led to this policy. Which BTW Bush Junior, Obama and Clinton did as is done today.
bush and clinton's congress tried to get an immigration bill passed but people didnt want any amnesty which had to be included due to cost.

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Carter didn't do crap to help with the immigration issue. In fact he let it become an issue.
We didn't have an immigration problem under carter. it wasn't till reagan made up sh*t and passed an amnesty/ national i. d. law that the aliens rushed to get in under the wire. then he caused a recession and there were home born and immigrants out of jobs and butting heads. hasn't got much better at all through now.
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BTW, back in 2014 Hillary Clinton spojke out against bringing children to the border saying, "Just because your children cross the border doesn't mean they get to stay."
she didn't say just because your children are crossing the border it means we will keep them and you will go to jail even if you seek amnesty.
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bush and clinton's congress tried to get an immigration bill passed but people didnt want any amnesty which had to be included due to cost.


We didn't have an immigration problem under carter. it wasn't till reagan made up sh*t and passed an amnesty/ national i. d. law that the aliens rushed to get in under the wire. then he caused a recession and there were home born and immigrants out of jobs and butting heads. hasn't got much better at all through now.


she didn't say just because your children are crossing the border it means we will keep them and you will go to jail even if you seek amnesty.
Of course we didn't have an immigration problem under Carter the4 numbers were too small and politicians were worried about oil supplies and 22% interest rates. What we did have was a stable system of migrant workers,,,; oh wait, that changed.

What we did have came to a head just a few years later under Reagan. He gave amnesty by accepting the promise of better laws the Democrats never passed.

All that said no President since carter has done anything to help the immigrants who want to come legally and none have done more than lip service about those who come here ILLEGALLY.

Now for the current news headlines. What no one in the media will tell you is that the Ninth Circuit Court of appeals, no friend of conservatism, who interpreted the law and defined how it should be applied, Basically, if you are arrested by the Border patrol and you have children in accompaniment the children must be separated.

At the very least, if not with the parents who put their children in this trap, your complaint should be with them as they clearly set the rules. Are you suggesting President Trump be held in contempt for obeying their rulings?

Why doesn't the Ninth circuit court of Appeals stop him?

Because he is following their ruling.

Change the laws.

Trump asks for it. The people ask for it. Schumer and Pelosi both stand in the way. Not one word from you scolds the real obstructionists. The real haters. The ones who would prefer our nation suffers ruin if it will defeat Trump. Sick, Sick , Sick
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I don't remember voting for any of those women. I really don't give even a tiny rat's ass what they think about anything.
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I don't remember voting for any of those women. I don't give even a tiny rat's ass what they think about anything.
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Of course we didn't have an immigration problem under Carter the4 numbers were too small and politicians were worried about oil supplies and 22% interest rates. What we did have was a stable system of migrant workers,,,; oh wait, that changed.
A $30,000 house at 22% you can pay off quickly by making extra payments. You are never gonna pay off a $200,000 house at 3%. If you are young and manage to get a fixer upper for $99,000, you'll be the rest of your life refinancing and figuring how to make the mortgage. People age and one bad year they lose their home.
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What we did have came to a head just a few years later under Reagan. He gave amnesty by accepting the promise of better laws the Democrats never passed.
Bush caused the "oil crises" to win an election. Carter advocated economy cars and made a reserve oil a big part of policy. Reagan pizzed all over that.
The only reason we were told by reagan we had an immigrant problem-a bald face lie- was to get a national i. d., and to bring in more illegals to flood the work market for employers.

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All that said no President since carter has done anything to help the immigrants who want to come legally and none have done more than lip service about those who come here ILLEGALLY.
Now for the Remember when Bush tried? What happened? American people did not want any amnesty at all. A fantasy demand.
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... Basically, if you are arrested by the Border patrol and you have children in accompaniment the children must be separated.
That is Trump's policy. He changed policy to separate kids for POLITICS.

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At the very least, if not with the parents who put their children in this trap, your complaint should be with them as they clearly set the rules. Are you suggesting President Trump be held in contempt for obeying their rulings?
some of them are asylum seekers and now the asylum seekers are being turned away period. What do you say to that? It IS a LAW that we accept asylum seekers. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7552621.html

As well some people not even prosecuted for illegal crossing are having children taken away according to people interviewed at the border.

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Why doesn't the Ninth circuit court of Appeals stop him?

Because he is following their ruling.

Change the laws.
There is no law that says take kids and separate them from parents. That is a lie Trump told you and you may believe but it's still a LIE.


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Like nearly every issue of political importance to Americans, the problem of illegal immigration has been buried under such a load of histrionic horse manure that what isn't all that complicated a question is now harder to solve than the Riemann Hypothesis. Thanks to a series of inexplicable policy directions and legal decisions dating back to the 1997 settlement in the case of Flores v. Reno, itself a continuation of Flores v. Meese, we have managed to tie ourselves in a Gordian knot over the question of how to untangle the law on immigration.

According to the supporters of immigration policy that would throw open the doors to every Tomas, Ricardo and Jorge who manages to sneak across our southern frontier, President Donald Trump is meeting potential immigrants at the border and literally tearing their children from their arms. The darling little moppets are then warehoused in cages like stray dogs. No one knows what happens to the kiddies next, but their fates probably involve either slavery, forced medical experimentation or outright murder in one of the concentration camps set up under the Trump regime. It's only thanks to the tireless efforts of Hollywood actresses, television comedians and other liberal activists that anyone even learned of Trump's twisted machinations. As for their parents, they're either summarily executed out back or stuffed into railroad cars and shipped off to fates often worse than death.


Of course, like every narrative constructed by the Left, all of that is ridiculous. In accordance with federal law, anyone caught trying to sneak across the border is charged with unlawful entry. If they dragged their kids into their ill-fated caper, the government, thanks to Flores, has no real choice other than to shuttle the kids to a detention center. The people shrieking about "concentration camps" are essentially arguing for sending children to adult jails. Since some of the people in those facilities are fun guys like MS-13 narcoterrorists, the separations are the most humane approach available.

Furthermore, none of this would have been necessary if the parents hadn't dragged their kids into journeys which are as fraught with peril as wearing a MAGA hat in Detroit and as well planned as — well — also Detroit. The "concentration camp" rhetoric ignores the fact that the Jews didn't deliver their children to Auschwitz. Moreover, faked and/or incorrectly cited pictures notwithstanding, the facilities to which illegal aliens' children are sent are hardly the animal control-style kennels the pro-amnesty forces would have you believe.

Parents who deliberately put their children in harm's way are bad parents. If they wish to escape their current circumstances, the United States graciously offers a program under which people have regularly dived into our melting pot for a long time. It's worth noting that the so-called "family separations" about which the open borders crowd don't happen to immigrants who follow established, legal, procedures and present themselves to U.S. authorities, rather than dash through the desert in the dark.

No one outside Planned Parenthood enjoys separating kids from their parents. But the guilt lies with the parents who risk their children and the people in this country who encourage them to try. Those who lure people into breaking the law, only to turn their kids into supporting characters in their shrieking tableaus are not only cravenly exploiting children, they're putting Trump and the immigration enforcement authorities squarely in God's little acre. Offering only the alternatives of closing the borders entirely or giving up having borders entirely puts not only Trump and the authorities, but all of us, east of the rock and west of the hard place.

Unfortunately, thanks to the usual muddying of the issue by liberals who would rather exploit easy headlines and the leftist culture of perpetual — albeit, misinformed — outrage, the simple issue of border control is buried in the muck. By the time we dig it out, we'll be nothing more than a buffer zone between Canada and Mexico.

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Of course we didn't have an immigration problem under Carter the4 numbers were too small and politicians were worried about oil supplies and 22% interest rates. What we did have was a stable system of migrant workers,,,; oh wait, that changed.

What we did have came to a head just a few years later under Reagan. He gave amnesty by accepting the promise of better laws the Democrats never passed.

All that said no President since carter has done anything to help the immigrants who want to come legally and none have done more than lip service about those who come here ILLEGALLY.

Now for the current news headlines. What no one in the media will tell you is that the Ninth Circuit Court of appeals, no friend of conservatism, who interpreted the law and defined how it should be applied, Basically, if you are arrested by the Border patrol and you have children in accompaniment the children must be separated.

At the very least, if not with the parents who put their children in this trap, your complaint should be with them as they clearly set the rules. Are you suggesting President Trump be held in contempt for obeying their rulings?

Why doesn't the Ninth circuit court of Appeals stop him?

Because he is following their ruling.

Change the laws.

Trump asks for it. The people ask for it. Schumer and Pelosi both stand in the way. Not one word from you scolds the real obstructionists. The real haters. The ones who would prefer our nation suffers ruin if it will defeat Trump. Sick, Sick , Sick
The fact of the matter is, the Democrats DON'T WANT THIS ISSUE FIXED. They see this as an issue that they can run on by appealing to the emotional issues tied to it. They understand that there are a lot of people in this country that will dispense with the facts when a picture of a family being separated is shown on the screen.

If the Democrats had any interest if fixing this issue, it would have been fixed years ago when they had both houses of Congress and the White House. But they showed their true colors then by ignoring the issue and passing that disastrous ACA.
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A $30,000 house at 22% you can pay off quickly by making extra payments. You are never gonna pay off a $200,000 house at 3%. If you are young and manage to get a fixer upper for $99,000, you'll be the rest of your life refinancing and figuring how to make the mortgage. People age and one bad year they lose their home.

Bush caused the "oil crises" to win an election. Carter advocated economy cars and made a reserve oil a big part of policy. Reagan pizzed all over that.
The only reason we were told by reagan we had an immigrant problem-a bald face lie- was to get a national i. d., and to bring in more illegals to flood the work market for employers.

Actually,the Democrats refused o allow drilling

Now for the Remember when Bush tried? What happened? American people did not want any amnesty at all. A fantasy demand.

You're blaming the people? What People? Congress didn't act, not even when the Democrats had control.


That is Trump's policy. He changed policy to separate kids for POLITICS.

No,it was the national policy since 1997.
Obama changed it, actually invited border crossings by trainloads of children, and created a mess.

some of them are asylum seekers and now the asylum seekers are being turned away period. What do you say to that? It IS a LAW that we accept asylum seekers. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7552621.html


80% of the asylum claims are found false by the courts.

As well some people not even prosecuted for illegal crossing are having children taken away according to people interviewed at the border.

Show us proof!!!

There is no law that says take kids and separate them from parents. That is a lie Trump told you and you may believe but it's still a LIE.

Yes there is deary. Passed during Clinton's presidency and called in the ninth circuit,,; Flores vs Meese. Why do you insist on making up such nonsense?

]This is Donald J. Trump's policy.[/B]
That is true. The SOB has a habit of enforcing our laws as written. It's why the people elected him. And so many more now support him.

You don't have to like Trump to see that he is enforcing the laws the prevuous administration abused. But it seems you do have to make sh!t up to maintain an argument against the obvious.
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