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Old 06-18-2018, 10:14 AM
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Minor correction, innocent legal residents arrested on suspicion of breaking the law have their children taken away. The separation happens despite protestations of innocence. But illegal aliens have superior rights to legal residents, the claim to refugee status is supposed to immunize them from detention and separation from their children. Somehow it's inhuman and brutal to treat illegal aliens the same as legal residents but Democrats aren't advocating open borders.

Asylum seekers claim they are fleeing perilous conditions in their home country and many have engaged in dangerous journeys such as riding freight trains across the length of Mexico followed by crossing a harsh desert. Yet the often temporary separation of children from their families to a facility where they are housed, fed, clothed and receive medical care is claimed to be morally reprehensible and the most traumatic event of their lives.
And here is the other part that is missing. If these people are crossing Mexico to escape perilous conditions in their home country, why are they not just stopping in Mexico? Why are they making the extra effort to come all the way north to the USA? Mexico should be a sufficient destination as the violence that they are supposedly escaping, should not be following them to Mexico.

I have no problem detaining those people until proof of their assertions are verified. Unless we do that, anyone and everyone can claim political asylum.
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In light of the controversy surrounding the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” illegal immigration policy, many have accused the administration of operating policies similar to Nazi Germany, while others have outright compared child detention centers to concentration camps.

However, new details reveal life inside the detention centers is the complete opposite of life inside Nazi German concentration camps.

What are the details?

According to Breitbart News, once unaccompanied minors — who arrive to the U.S. with their parents or alone — are placed in detention camps, they experience a standard of living higher than millions of American children who live in poverty.
This reflects the sick right-wing logic that was evidenced in the past during 2012 where the National Organization for Marriage pledges, that all but one Republican presidential candidate signed, stated in it's preface:

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Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.
This implied claim that a black child born as a slave was in anyway better off than a black child born free regardless of any considerations about the family was nothing but racist propaganda.

I'm not going to support the claim that the detention centers are the same as Nazi concentration camps but they are unquestionably a "prison" that children are being sent to alone. Some are reported to be as young as infants and toddlers with most being pre-teenagers, and all are being forcefully removed from their parent(s) that enter the United States illegally seeking asylum and these children are being sent to these detention camps. In most cases the adult is charged with a first offense misdemeanor for their illegal entry into the United States and jailed. This is unnecessary under the law and is exclusively a abhorrent policy created by President Trump and AG Jeff Sessions that is arguably a human rights violation and unquestionably cruel and immoral that traumatizes the child to the point it will adversely effect the child for the rest of their life according to mental health experts.

No child taken by force from their parent(s) is better off than they are being with their parents. You can put them in a palace living like a billionaire and they're still worse of than they would be with their parent(s).

Please refrain from trying to defend the indefensible actions of President Trump. This isn't about "no tolerance" in enforcing the law because the law for a the misdemeanor violation they're being charged with doesn't require the parent to be locked up without the possibility of immediate release based upon their own recognizance. The parent and the child can both be taken to a local facility for the charges to be filed and the parent and child released immediately. The parents and children are here as refugees and they have a right to a hearing on refugee status. They don't represent any threat to the people of the United States or of flight from the United States to avoid prosecution.

We can also discard the BS that this is the Democrats fault. No it's not. It's President Trump's fault because of his order to separate the parents and child (children) based upon a misrepresentation of a rule from President Bush's administration.

We do know the real motive because Trump administration has admitted it. Donald Trump is committing this inhuman act of separating parents and children to leverage immigration law reform that would include building Trump's wall.

The bricks of Trump's wall are being joined by the tears of young children that cry in the night for their parent(s) while they're imprisoned in a world that they don't understand.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible inhuman policies of President Trump.
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All I know that if an American citizen breaks the law, they are separated from their children. Why should those coming into our country illegally be held to a different standard?

If you don't want people to be separated from their children, encourage them to NOT break the law!
That's a whole lot of wisdom and common sense for libs to grasp.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:58 AM
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This reflects the sick right-wing logic that was evidenced in the past during 2012 where the National Organization for Marriage pledges, that all but one Republican presidential candidate signed, stated in it's preface:



This implied claim that a black child born as a slave was in anyway better off than a black child born free regardless of any considerations about the family was nothing but racist propaganda.

I'm not going to support the claim that the detention centers are the same as Nazi concentration camps but they are unquestionably a "prison" that children are being sent to alone. Some are reported to be as young as infants and toddlers with most being pre-teenagers, and all are being forcefully removed from their parent(s) that enter the United States illegally seeking asylum and these children are being sent to these detention camps. In most cases the adult is charged with a first offense misdemeanor for their illegal entry into the United States and jailed. This is unnecessary under the law and is exclusively a abhorrent policy created by President Trump and AG Jeff Sessions that is arguably a human rights violation and unquestionably cruel and immoral that traumatizes the child to the point it will adversely effect the child for the rest of their life according to mental health experts.

No child taken by force from their parent(s) is better off than they are being with their parents. You can put them in a palace living like a billionaire and they're still worse of than they would be with their parent(s).

Please refrain from trying to defend the indefensible actions of President Trump. This isn't about "no tolerance" in enforcing the law because the law for a the misdemeanor violation they're being charged with doesn't require the parent to be locked up without the possibility of immediate release based upon their own recognizance. The parent and the child can both be taken to a local facility for the charges to be filed and the parent and child released immediately. The parents and children are here as refugees and they have a right to a hearing on refugee status. They don't represent any threat to the people of the United States or of flight from the United States to avoid prosecution.

We can also discard the BS that this is the Democrats fault. No it's not. It's President Trump's fault because of his order to separate the parents and child (children) based upon a misrepresentation of a rule from President Bush's administration.

We do know the real motive because Trump administration has admitted it. Donald Trump is committing this inhuman act of separating parents and children to leverage immigration law reform that would include building Trump's wall.

The bricks of Trump's wall are being joined by the tears of young children that cry in the night for their parent(s) while they're imprisoned in a world that they don't understand.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible inhuman policies of President Trump.
Stop trying to employ the saddest and most lazy of stupid characterizations that morons reach for time and time again. Namely and lamely the "Nazi' idiocy. Adding "concentration camp" identifiers on top of the Nazi idiocy is a sure sign you need a lobotomy.

Particularly since you and the other Nazi lovers had no issue with the use of these so called "concentration camps" under the prior administration. Or any other prior administration. Simply put, you're full of feces.
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Here's what libs think the detention centers for illegal immigrant children are like.

Yes, they're that stupid.

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Old 06-18-2018, 12:23 PM
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I don't understand, maybe I'm a little slow, but wouldn't these kids still be with their parents, if their parents didn't intentionally break the law by sneaking into the United States?

Or maybe I'm missing something. Did Trump force these parents to travel across Mexico in horrible, brutal conditions, just to break our laws so that the kids would be separated from their parents. If he did, that would be wrong.

Question, does anyone in our government ever talk to the leaders of the countries people are fleeing? If these countries are so bad that people are fleeing, shouldn't we do something about THAT?

Maybe we should topple the countries people are fleeing if they are that friggin bad.
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This reflects the sick right-wing logic that was evidenced in the past during 2012 where the National Organization for Marriage pledges, that all but one Republican presidential candidate signed, stated in it's preface:



This implied claim that a black child born as a slave was in anyway better off than a black child born free regardless of any considerations about the family was nothing but racist propaganda.

I'm not going to support the claim that the detention centers are the same as Nazi concentration camps but they are unquestionably a "prison" that children are being sent to alone. Some are reported to be as young as infants and toddlers with most being pre-teenagers, and all are being forcefully removed from their parent(s) that enter the United States illegally seeking asylum and these children are being sent to these detention camps. In most cases the adult is charged with a first offense misdemeanor for their illegal entry into the United States and jailed. This is unnecessary under the law and is exclusively a abhorrent policy created by President Trump and AG Jeff Sessions that is arguably a human rights violation and unquestionably cruel and immoral that traumatizes the child to the point it will adversely effect the child for the rest of their life according to mental health experts.

No child taken by force from their parent(s) is better off than they are being with their parents. You can put them in a palace living like a billionaire and they're still worse of than they would be with their parent(s).

Please refrain from trying to defend the indefensible actions of President Trump. This isn't about "no tolerance" in enforcing the law because the law for a the misdemeanor violation they're being charged with doesn't require the parent to be locked up without the possibility of immediate release based upon their own recognizance. The parent and the child can both be taken to a local facility for the charges to be filed and the parent and child released immediately. The parents and children are here as refugees and they have a right to a hearing on refugee status. They don't represent any threat to the people of the United States or of flight from the United States to avoid prosecution.

We can also discard the BS that this is the Democrats fault. No it's not. It's President Trump's fault because of his order to separate the parents and child (children) based upon a misrepresentation of a rule from President Bush's administration.

We do know the real motive because Trump administration has admitted it. Donald Trump is committing this inhuman act of separating parents and children to leverage immigration law reform that would include building Trump's wall.

The bricks of Trump's wall are being joined by the tears of young children that cry in the night for their parent(s) while they're imprisoned in a world that they don't understand.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible inhuman policies of President Trump.
Maybe those illegal monkeys should stop breaking the law, and attempt to get their asses into America the legal way.
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Have any of the Liberals offered to take in any of the illegals? Maybe Trump should start placing parents and their children in the homes of every lib that is complaining. They can officially adopt the family and take responsibility for that family.

But my guess is that the complaining Libs do not really care about these children, they only care about making Trump look bad, and they would never, EVER, actually DO anything to help anyone.
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The separation began legally in 1997 under Clinton by an act of our Congress. It was fine then, fine under Obama and should be fine now. But for that demandable Trump who has reviewed our pathetic strategies at the border and decided not to kick he can down the road again.

After 40 years since the last time a Republican President got skunked by the liberals (Both Dems and GOP) it's about time we had one do SOMETHING theypromised to fixtheproblem. Doing what has been done over again will not get different results. It is time, and now possible, to deal with our very complicated immigration issues. It cannot please all. After all, it was our politicians who allowed it to happen in the first place. For generations.

And those generations will suffer somewhat despite any reasonable attempts to mediate their condition. We can swallow a path to citizenship for the Dreamers. But no more new sufferings should be tolerated because of continuance of bad past practices.

Assigning blame won't solve the problem. And neither party will accept responsibility at any rate. so enough of that crap time to actually DO something. Sorry lefties and snowflake Clintonites, but we now have elected someone who gets things DONE.
Get over it.
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The bricks of Trump's wall are being joined by the tears of young children that cry in the night for their parent(s) while they're imprisoned in a world that they don't understand.
How about the tears of children that the Obama administration gave to human forced labor traffickers? What did they help build?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.d84a4cf38b60

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.1f0ded2dfda1

Of all the tears shed about this issue your fake, political onion huffing ones are the most disgusting and disturbing. . .
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