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Apes? Monkeys? Gorillas?
The racist history has covered a wide swathe of that territory so stop quibbling to avoid reality.
It's meaningless.
There's not just one racial slur for blacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs



Are you seriously asking this question?
Do you not understand what "racist" means in the first place?

From the link above: For the purposes of this list, an ethnic slur is a term designed to insult others on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality.
While it's still juvenile and churlish, comparing Bush / Trump to an ape is not a racial slur because it does not revolve around an association based on their race.

Asked and answered.
Nope, not a satisfactory answer.
You seem to think that it is okay to compare one skin tone with apes of another species but not compare another skin tone with apes of that species. It would seem to me that only a person that is racist could make that sort of connection.

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It would be an individual slur. Not a racist slur.
And for better or for worse, you live in a society which thinks that throwing out a slur that denigrates an entire race (15% of the U.S. population) is much worse than a slur that denigrates an individual.
Are you now admitting that it is a denigrating slur for all folk, instead of racist for some and a denigrating slur for others?

I don't know why some folk think that they have to treat some people different than other people simply based upon skin color. If somebody is fat, they're fat, doesn't matter their skin color. If somebody is stupid, they're stupid, doesn't matter their skin color. If somebody is a heroin addict, they're a heroin addict, it doesn't matter their skin color. If somebody acts like an ape, they act like an ape, it doesn't matter their skin color.

I do find it interesting that most of the people here and in the media seem to leave the whole "Muslim Brotherhood" part alone. That was also part of the comment. Maybe people missed that part of the joke. And missing that part would probably mean one didn't understand the rest of the joke.
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Nope, not a satisfactory answer.
Didn't claim the answer would be satisfactory. Reality is often not satisfying.
And the root of a lot of this is simply different value judgments on different types of slurs.


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You seem to think that it is okay to compare one skin tone with apes of another species but not compare another skin tone with apes of that species. It would seem to me that only a person that is racist could make that sort of connection.

That's not what I said.

When I said that comparing Bush / Trump to a monkey was "juvenile and churlish", does that sound like I think it's okay?

I acknowledged both as slurs. I never said it was okay and my actual words clearly demonstrate it should not be considered as acceptable.


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Are you now admitting that it is a denigrating slur for all folk, instead of racist for some and a denigrating slur for others?
Your question ties together things incorrectly.
Let me break this down for you.

Am I admitting that comparing people to an ape is a denigrating slur for all folk?
Yes.

... instead of racist for some and a denigrating slur for others?
No.
Calling Trump or Bush an ape would not be a racial slur. It's not generated based on caucasian race, but rather individual pictures that are likened to an ape. That would be an example of an individual slur.

As the web-site demonstrated, calling blacks "apes" has a history of being recognized as a racial slur.
A black person, referring to outdated theories ascribing cultural differences between ethnic groups as being linked to their evolutionary distance from chimpanzees, with which humans share common ancestry.[13][14]

As I explained, society typically values the racial slur as worse than slurring individuals.
Not all slurs are created equal.


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I don't know why some folk think that they have to treat some people different than other people simply based upon skin color. If somebody is fat, they're fat, doesn't matter their skin color. If somebody is stupid, they're stupid, doesn't matter their skin color. If somebody is a heroin addict, they're a heroin addict, it doesn't matter their skin color. If somebody acts like an ape, they act like an ape, it doesn't matter their skin color.
I do find it interesting that most of the people here and in the media seem to leave the whole "Muslim Brotherhood" part alone. That was also part of the comment. Maybe people missed that part of the joke. And missing that part would probably mean one didn't understand the rest of the joke.
She has connections to Islam. While it's obviously a slur, it seems not to be deemed as important as the "ape" reference.
I can't help but think if she had left any reference to "ape" out of it the show might still be around...
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I can't help but think if she had left any reference to "ape" out of it the show might still be around...
And I can't help but think if she made "ape" comments about Ben Carson or Herman Cain she'd not only still have a show, but would be a media darling...
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Didn't claim the answer would be satisfactory. Reality is often not satisfying.
And the root of a lot of this is simply different value judgments on different types of slurs.




That's not what I said.

When I said that comparing Bush / Trump to a monkey was "juvenile and churlish", does that sound like I think it's okay?

I acknowledged both as slurs. I never said it was okay and my actual words clearly demonstrate it should not be considered as acceptable.



Your question ties together things incorrectly.
Let me break this down for you.

Am I admitting that comparing people to an ape is a denigrating slur for all folk?
Yes.

... instead of racist for some and a denigrating slur for others?
No.
Calling Trump or Bush an ape would not be a racial slur. It's not generated based on caucasian race, but rather individual pictures that are likened to an ape. That would be an example of an individual slur.

As the web-site demonstrated, calling blacks "apes" has a history of being recognized as a racial slur.
A black person, referring to outdated theories ascribing cultural differences between ethnic groups as being linked to their evolutionary distance from chimpanzees, with which humans share common ancestry.[13][14]

As I explained, society typically values the racial slur as worse than slurring individuals.
Not all slurs are created equal.

She has connections to Islam. While it's obviously a slur, it seems not to be deemed as important as the "ape" reference.
I can't help but think if she had left any reference to "ape" out of it the show might still be around...
Sure sounds a whole lot like a defense of a double standard to me.
Evolution shows that we all come from the same roots, skin color makes one no more or less primate, so why do some folk think it is more of an insult based upon skin color unless they have racist tendencies? That was a rhetorical question that would apply to both the insulting and those that feel insulted.
Society needs to evolve beyond that. Maybe you can take the societal step to accept all slurs equally and ignore skin color like I do.
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One might reasonably wonder: Just how much longer must white Americans--and Christian Americans, too--engage in the ritual of self-flagellation, in order to atone for the "original sin" of slavery (and the Jim Crow period that succeeded it), and to demonstrate an abhorrence for "Islamophobia" (a made-up word of recent vintage)?
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Sure sounds a whole lot like a defense of a double standard to me.
Evolution shows that we all come from the same roots, skin color makes one no more or less primate, so why do some folk think it is more of an insult based upon skin color unless they have racist tendencies? That was a rhetorical question that would apply to both the insulting and those that feel insulted.
Society needs to evolve beyond that. Maybe you can take the societal step to accept all slurs equally and ignore skin color like I do.
Ok again we hear the equivalency arguments of known racist speech.
But frankly, the equivalency arguments of some folks are just.... well... what can we say Ignorant , Naive, dumb?
it's clear in every other context.
A woman calling a man a 'stupid bitch' on the job is bad, but everyone knows that a man calling a woman a 'stupid bitch' is worse and sexist.
One marine calling another a 'Jarhead' is one thing, but a civilian calling a marine a 'Jarhead' is another. A man calling his wife 'baby' is cool, the neighbor dude calling her 'baby' is a different story.
Everyone KNOWS it.
Context does matter. And it's either supremely naive' or disingenuous for some to pretend otherwise.


Bat there are certain terms that are used that have been race specific historically. And are especially disgusting and offensive for that reason Bat.

the Nazis called the Jews "subhuman" "Untermensch" among the other slurs. So to jokingly call a Jewish person "subhuman” automatically RECALLS all the darkess of the 1930s Europe and holocaust.
The same with several slurs against blacks. Cheif among the many are the terms N----- and ‘Monkey/Apes’ which harken back... and by DEFAULT... call up 400+ years of white oppression and systamatic dehumanization.

Just because you, today, don't know about it or want to ignore this history, and magically want words to just have equal meaning, sorry, we ain’t there yet Bat.

If you want help us all to get there maybe you ought to spend more time correcting those in your circle of influence that you know of that DO have some racist tendencies. Rather than correcting people for "being offended" by those who have every intent to offend.

Rosanne’s comments weren't meant as a generic slap. They were meant to tap into the long low history of slurs and dehumanization of the west againts blacks to make the sting of the "joke" even more foul.

Just as someone might evoke Romeo and Juliet for love or patriot for love of counrty etc. There's a rich historical connotation to some words and phrases in some context Bat. Just asserting that everyone should ‘fugetaboutit’ because you say you have, is not realistic. Especially if some people, with large public voices, of the traditionally offending race continue to use the terms in the same old negative context.

So again, it's either supremely naive' or simply disingenuous for some to pretend that using those terms should not be taken as an offense.
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One might reasonably wonder: Just how much longer must white Americans--and Christian Americans, too--engage in the ritual of self-flagellation, in order to atone for the "original sin" of slavery (and the Jim Crow period that succeeded it), and to demonstrate an abhorrence for "Islamophobia" (a made-up word of recent vintage)?
As long as there are people who are bigots.

hint: a long time
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