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And there ya have it, folks; liberal logic at its best. It's ok to refer to white peeps as primates but not blacks.

Only if you choose to ignore the ~300 years history of whites comparing blacks to primates in order to justify treating them as subhuman.

It's not a double standard at all.

Also I don't see where I said "It's ok to refer to white peeps as primates but not blacks". 'Nother lie from you I guess.
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Does this look like "whitewashing" to you?!?!?!...
Um, I was replying to Hairy. He clearly doesn't understand, or is choosing to ignore, why a lot of people are upset at Roseanne and why it's f-cked up to call a black person an ape.
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Did you just caricature conservatives?
How is it a caricature ? The OP claimed that the tv show was a depiction of a conservative family. I pointed out the things that proves that wrong. Being a Trump supporter does not make one a conservative. No conservative family would allow a boy to wear dresses.Heck even normal libs wouldn't allow their boys to wear dresses. Only loony lib family would do that. And the characters are pro-union, which most conservatives are not.
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You seriously need an explanation for why calling a black person a monkey is racist?

One of the funny things about too many occasions of right-wing "there's nothing wrong here" syndrome is when the speaker themselves apologizes for what was said.
Roseanne:
I apologize to Valerie Jarrett and to all Americans. I am truly sorry for making a bad joke about her politics and her looks. I should have known better. Forgive me-my joke was in bad taste.

IMO, you've touched on the saddest thing.
the replies of,
what's so bad about x. and I DON'T GET IT

If those comments are honest, then to me that implies that they are FAR to ignorant to even comment on racial issues.
Or they are so immersed in a culture where racist or mildly racist talk is normal. Where it's just part of the waters they swim in so they are simply oblivious of any problems with it.

next we hear the equivalency arguments of known racist speech.
But frankly, the equivalency arguments of some folks are just.... well... dumb.
it's clear in every other context.
A woman calling a man a 'stupid bitch' on the job is bad, but everyone knows that a man calling a women a 'stupid bitch' is worse and sexist.
One marine calling another a 'Jarhead' is one thing, but a civilian calling a marine a 'Jarhead' is another. A man calling his wife 'baby' is cool, the neighbor dude calling her 'baby' is different story.
Everyone KNOWS it.
Context does matter. And it's either dumb or disingenuous for some to pretend otherwise.


But the defense "it's just a joke." Is almost as lame.
As long as they are not offended by the joke it's OK. if they are then the heads should roll.
Both sides run that play.


while i'm not for all the hyper-oversensitivity about race, gender and everything. Or in favor of firing everyone whose ever made a racist or "offensive" comment. (I suspect the nation would shut down if everyone in the US work force that ever made racist comments were fired.)
I do think people should be called out on it offensive comments. And at this point Rosanne has apologized. Who can know how sincere that is. But seems to me it doesn't help to not allow people the room to make positive change. if folks are punished and shunned no matter what they do. There's less incentive to try.

personally I've never really liked Rosaane's politics with her promotion of the LGBTxyz agenda. And have to suspect that maybe the show was a cover try to and subvert some "conservative's" views on that and other issues.

it is odd that conservatives are up in arms about Rossane being fired ..
It's a wonder that some Trump supporters will put up with LGBTxyz promotion, defend and/or dismiss racist comments, and nearly ANYTHING from various public figures and orgs as long as Trump is promoted... and "respected".

it's bizarre to me.


another odd thing. is conservatives up in arms about ABC firing people over what they consider a blatant offense to a cherished American ideal.
But are OK if Trump wants people put out of the country over what they consider a blatant offense to a cherished American ideal. They are OK with the NFL firing them as well I suspect and have boycotted the NFL for as much.

But hey "i don't see the problem" with not standing for the flag.
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Maybe Maher shouldn't be fired. Libs have already explained it's cool to call white peeps primate names. It's only wrong if you do it to blacks.

I've seen countless posts on this forum by libs makin' absurd posts but to claim it's racist to use a primate name against one group of peeps but not racist to use it against another group is hands down the most mouth-drooling, retarded thing I've ever seen.

Wally needs some special award or trophy for his posts in this thread.

'Roseanne' fans call for Bill Maher to be fired after he joked Trump is part orangutan

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A few thoughts here:

(1) What Roseanne Barr tweeted was utterly repugnant; I would not wish to attempt to excuse it.

(2) However, she touched the "third rail" of American politics: She derided Muslims, and a black person. (If her rant had concerned, instead, Christians--especially evangelicals of fundamentalists--and a white person--especially a conservative one--does anyone suppose that the penalty would have been so swift, and so severe?)

(3) It is this political correctness that I find utterly appalling. (The left once stood against double standards. Nowadays, it seems to embrace them.)
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Now she's blaming Ambien for her racist tweet.

Beautiful.
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A few thoughts here:

(1) What Roseanne Barr tweeted was utterly repugnant; I would not wish to attempt to excuse it.

(2) However, she touched the "third rail" of American politics: She derided Muslims, and a black person. (If her rant had concerned, instead, Christians--especially evangelicals of fundamentalists--and a white person--especially a conservative one--does anyone suppose that the penalty would have been so swift, and so severe?)

(3) It is this political correctness that I find utterly appalling. (The left once stood against double standards. Nowadays, it seems to embrace them.)
Racism isn't being "politically incorrect", it's just racism.
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How is it a caricature ? The OP claimed that the tv show was a depiction of a conservative family. I pointed out the things that proves that wrong. Being a Trump supporter does not make one a conservative. No conservative family would allow a boy to wear dresses.Heck even normal libs wouldn't allow their boys to wear dresses. Only loony lib family would do that. And the characters are pro-union, which most conservatives are not.
Being a conservative doesn't mean by default anti-union, or anti-trans, or pro-gender norms. Trump won conservatives, and by his faux-populist rhetoric won over some union voters and working class Democrats. It's entirely within the realm of reality that Roseanne's character in the show could be a Trump voter. People are more complicated than labels, families ever moreso.

Also I'm going to point out the OP claimed that Roseanne was canceled because they depicted a conservative family, providing no evidence that was the case. They portrayed a family, not an explicitly conservative one.
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Good Lord how thick is that right-wing victim bubble?

Roseanne was being renewed for another season after the 1st episode, there is no evidence at all the ABC was trying to cancel it. A lot of people liked it, I liked it, but Roseanne herself couldn't kept her racist conspiracy-nut whackadoo mouth in check and that is on her for the show being canceled.

You know I really feel bad for? The rest of the cast and crew, they're the actual victims. They worked hard at bringing the show back, and it's unfortunate that the star had to ruin it.

Maybe another network will pick it up, but a lot of the cast would probably be extremely reluctant to work with her after this.
I agree, that's the first thing I thought about. I couldn't care less about RB.
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