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Probably not. But it's telling where we are as a country when the president says things like this, and how many back him still. He should respect the right to protest, none of this "love it or leave it" bullsh-t.
Oh I see the so-called protesters have an unlimited right to impose their views whenever and wherever they want as well as to dictate how those protests are received and the response to them. If the protests are for an acceptable cause to the Left then any platform must be coopted for the message including private businesses.

Where were the cries against suppression when the sitting governor of Virginia demanded peaceful protesters against the removal of a civil war statue ought to leave the country? Where is the demand for freedom of expression when universities demand exorbitant fees for extra security before Conservative speakers are allowed to exercise their Constitutional rights? Oh wait, the great champions of freedom have decided hypocrisy in the defense of their views is no vice.

To be tolerant we must put up without objective with the tantrums of political activists in NFL uniforms. Anyone who dares criticize the orthodoxy of hating the police and the disrespecting the flag as a necessary part of attending or viewing an NFL game is to be shouted down in an exercise of celebrating freedom.
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Heres a dark but interesting thought on the NFL concerning protest in of any kind at games.
And something to be aware of in general.
If the NFL really had a problem with the protest there's one easy way they could deal with it.
They control all rights to the cameras for broadcasting.
If they really had a problem they could simple demand that the networks pan the crowd, focus on one or 2 standing players, or simply and "patriotically" hold the camera on a flag exclusively ...so the viewers at home could pay their desired and "proper" respect to the flag and anthem at home. Because i'm sure everyone at home has their hand over their hearts, and aren't sitting on their arses, or aren't chewing on food... or any other disrespectful acts while the anthem is playing.

But the MSM has done this fairly regularly. there are various protest ,over the century, that simply got NO MSM coverage. The West VA Union protest was one, many of the anti war protest during W's terms, many Pro-Life Protest have never been aired. Several others issues have never gotten the media spotlight simply because those that hold the camera have decided either NOT to show up to film it at all, or not to Air it if they did film it. Or air it with a spin that minimized it.

But the NFL owns all rights to the games. If they allow cameras on something that's "offensive" to some of their patrons, then they literally have to own it.

weather it's Tim Tebow, Kapernick, that Muslim player who prayed and was fined, the players with homosexual agendas, or guys that wanted to promote mental illness awareness. the NFL and it's relationship with the various networks calls the shots on WHAT people see.

It's a paided Public sporting event under exclusive private ownership.
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Oh I see the so-called protesters have an unlimited right to impose their views whenever and wherever they want as well as to dictate how those protests are received and the response to them. If the protests are for an acceptable cause to the Left then any platform must be coopted for the message including private businesses.

Where were the cries against suppression when the sitting governor of Virginia demanded peaceful protesters against the removal of a civil war statue ought to leave the country? Where is the demand for freedom of expression when universities demand exorbitant fees for extra security before Conservative speakers are allowed to exercise their Constitutional rights? Oh wait, the great champions of freedom have decided hypocrisy in the defense of their views is no vice.

To be tolerant we must put up without objective with the tantrums of political activists in NFL uniforms. Anyone who dares criticize the orthodoxy of hating the police and the disrespecting the flag as a necessary part of attending or viewing an NFL game is to be shouted down in an exercise of celebrating freedom.

If it didn't piss somebody off it wouldn't be called a protest.
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Libby Keith Ellison says he'll boycott the NFL if the players aren't allowed to disgrace our flag, anthem, and country.

Leftist congressman says he’ll boycott NFL games over ‘cowardly and idiotic kneeling ban’

And yes, that's what kneeling during the National Anthem is: Disgracing our flag, anthem and country.
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Cambridge police dispatched a rainbow coalition of officers in response to reports of a possible burglary at the Gates home. The senior officer was white. One officer was black. The other Hispanic. All of the officers agreed with the decision to arrest the home owner after he refused to stop screaming at the officers including racist epithets. The officers "crime" was arresting one of Obama's favorite professors. Charles Ogletree another Obama professor marshalled political connections to get Skip Gates charges dropped.
Simple question for you to expose the b.s.

WHAT VALID CHARGE existed against that professor in the first place?
The truthful answer is there was no valid charge. Charges were dropped because they were b.s. to begin with.


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President Obama received so much backlash for his unjustified attack on police as racist he had to issue a "clarification" backing away from his initial criticism and conducting the so-called beer summit.
ROFLMAO!!!
No.
Obama did what he did to unite people. Not because of some imagined backlash.


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Players kneeling fo so in solidarity with the sentiment that police are racists wantonly gunning down black men in the street with no punishment beyond suspension with pay. I paraphrased but that's the essence. Never mind that the most notorious incidents such as hands up don't shoot are fabricated, any excuse to hate the country is a valid grievance.
The statistics on police shooting / killing blacks (and our justice system in general regarding treatment of blacks) speak for themselves.
Police Killed More Than 1,100 People This Year and a Quarter of Them Were Black
https://www.vox.com/cards/police-bru...-police-racism
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...enalty/373081/


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Yes, people object to the President Obama's false attack on the police and the false attack on the police and the nation as racists wantonly slaughtering blacks with no consequences.
Without surprise, you completely side-step the point being made.

Police (representatives from the government) falsely arrest a man in his own house without cause. The president comments on it. The right screams he should stay out of it. That it's none of his business.

NFL players kneel in protest. Not government.
President comments on it. The right echo his sentiment...

I remember discussions claiming that military members were not saluting Clinton and/or Obama and some on the right simply proclaimed it as a sign of how bad the president was.
But an NFL player kneels for the national anthem???

The only consistency is a hypocritical refusal to apply the same standards to the right...
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both players knelling.
both loved and praised by some fans for it.
Both hated mocked and the worse motives ASSUMED about them by some fans.

the problem as i see it is to many football fans and Americans in general are "SNOWFLAKEs" that don't have a clue anymore about what real tolerance and free speech means.
They all seem to simply want to FORCE people of other opinions to STHU. and/or loose their jobs. With gov't officials making threats of jail and or removal of citizenship.
Neither side can seem to BEAR even a few seconds of a peaceful expression of views they dislike. In nearly any context.

But if folks are in agreement with the sentiment. Then the 1st amendment is invoked as sacred law and principal.

the Right tell the Dixie Chick to "shut up and sing" start boycotts and more when they talk politics on stage, but half a dozen other country singers talk politics and it's cheers and "1st amendment" even though it's quite possible that some of the fans are left leaning.

the left wants to SHUT DOWN the Duck Dynasty people, rather than have there views even AIRED. Several other TV shows with Christian celebrities are harassed off the air.
Right wing speakers shouted down and run off of college campuses.

All becasue a contrary view is just TOO MUCH to bear.
Snowflakes.

neither side really gets its.
They'll both make up excuses why "it's different" if they don't like it.
But bottom line, it all boils down to the becasue the speech is just so horrible it should NOT be allowed.

it's pitiful really.
Doubly so for the those that claim to be manly men and such.
triply so for those that claim they love the the bill of rights.
Once again, you are missing the point. Conservatives aren't calling for anyone to get fired or lose their jobs, they are just choosing to not participate in it. If the NFL wants to allow the players to protest during the anthem, they have that right.

But I also have the right to spend my hard earned dollars on another form of entertainment. I'm not whining about it, not protesting the NFL, just giving my personal opinion and choosing on my own what do support and what not to support. Apparently, I am not alone in that sentiment as thousands if not millions of former NFL fans have chosen to quit attending the games and buying their products.

But if you or anyone else wants to support them, go right ahead. I won't look to stop you.
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Once again, you are missing the point. Conservatives aren't calling for anyone to get fired or lose their jobs, they are just choosing to not participate in it. If the NFL wants to allow the players to protest during the anthem, they have that right.

But I also have the right to spend my hard earned dollars on another form of entertainment. I'm not whining about it, not protesting the NFL, just giving my personal opinion and choosing on my own what do support and what not to support. Apparently, I am not alone in that sentiment as thousands if not millions of former NFL fans have chosen to quit attending the games and buying their products.

But if you or anyone else wants to support them, go right ahead. I won't look to stop you.

Did you advocate for boycotting the Tebow games?
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Once again, you are missing the point. Conservatives aren't calling for anyone to get fired or lose their jobs, they are just choosing to not participate in it. If the NFL wants to allow the players to protest during the anthem, they have that right.

But I also have the right to spend my hard earned dollars on another form of entertainment. I'm not whining about it, not protesting the NFL, just giving my personal opinion and choosing on my own what do support and what not to support. Apparently, I am not alone in that sentiment as thousands if not millions of former NFL fans have chosen to quit attending the games and buying their products.

But if you or anyone else wants to support them, go right ahead. I won't look to stop you.
Trump Asking if players need to leave the country. Seems many fans agree in principal. That gets them fired and kicked out of their homes. ... for protesting.


Look it's fine to boycott But seems to me that the reaction is OVERBLOWN for the perceived horrible "offense". If the reaction was this strong to police assaulting and killing innocent people, Black, White, Red etc, then the cops would be apologizing and changing their ways wholesale. If they were as upset about homosexual marriage it would be gone. If they were as upset about abortion it would be outlawed. If they were as upset about gov't unwarranted spying it'd be gone.
Election fraud gone etc etc etc

But no, some football fans are SO incensed over some guys kneeling for less than 5 minutes before a 2+ hour game even starts that they're willing to shut down the whole industry if they don't see people conforming to their vision of "proper" patriotism. The anthem, the flag, the knelling the standing, All pure symbolism.

Seems to me folks could toughen up, and simply not turn the game on until AFTER the anthem and not be the worse for wear at all.
or Why not just watch it--be disgusted by it--and then move on, unaffected?
many of the people say they are tough guys vets etc that have had to bear so much real hardship. This seems a VERY minor attack to endure. And they could go on ignoring the protesters, and go on denying there's any problems with law enforcement in this country. And ignoring all the other problems as well.
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Did you advocate for boycotting the Tebow games?
From what I know about it, Tebow was not protesting the Anthem or the flag. Tebow would simply kneel in quite prayer prior to the start of the game. If this was done during the Anthem, that is something that I was not aware of.

However, I never watched his games as I generally have not watched NFL games in years. Ever since free agency, the NFL has become boring to me. I prefer to watch High School and college football.
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Trump Asking if players need to leave the country. Seems many fans agree in principal. That gets them fired and kicked out of their homes. ... for protesting.
I don't believe that Trump was asking for anyone to be kicked out of the country, he was just giving his opinion that they should leave this country if it is so bad that they cannot honor those that fought for their freedom.


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Look it's fine to boycott But seems to me that the reaction is OVERBLOWN for the perceived horrible "offense". If the reaction was this strong to police assaulting and killing innocent people, Black, White, Red etc, then the cops would be apologizing and changing their ways wholesale. If they were as upset about homosexual marriage it would be gone. If they were as upset about abortion it would be outlawed. If they were as upset about gov't unwarranted spying it'd be gone.
Election fraud gone etc etc etc
What do you expect? Let's stop with the outrage over everything that you or anyone else sees as wrong in this country. If I pay to go to watch a football game, that is what I want to see. I could care less if the players are upset about other things, they are there to entertain me for the money that I may have paid to watch them.

If I went to a play on Broadway and just prior to the start of the play the actors did a political protest, I would get up and leave and demand my money be refunded regardless of whether or not I agreed with them. I am there to be entertained, not lectured too.


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But no, some football fans are SO incensed over some guys kneeling for less than 5 minutes before a 2+ hour game even starts that they're willing to shut down the whole industry if they don't see people conforming to their vision of "proper" patriotism. The anthem, the flag, the knelling the standing, All pure symbolism.
I have a problem spending any of my hard earned money that may end up in the hands of some overpaid, millionaire athlete that most likely can't spell his own name. But that is another issue.

I don't think anyone is looking to shut down their industry, they are simply choosing not to participate in it. Of all of the people that I know that are fans of the NFL, almost all of them have chosen to spend their Sundays doing other things as long as the NFL is going to allow their product to be used as a political platform. But not one of them is looking to shut the NFL down. That is purely up to the NFL leadership. They can allow the players to make fools of themselves and alienate most of their fans, or they can do what most every other business in this country does and put in workplace policies that do not offend their customers.

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Seems to me folks could toughen up, and simply not turn the game on until AFTER the anthem and not be the worse for wear at all. many of the people say they are tough guys vets etc that have had to bear so much hardship. this seems a VERY minor attack to endure. And they could go on ignoring the protesters, and go on denying there's any problems with law enforcement in this country. And ignoring all the other problems as well.
If that's the way you want to handle it, go for it. I have no problem with that and will support your right to play it that way. However, don't condemn me for tuning it out entirely. That is MY choice. And the last I knew, in the United States, we still have that right to choose which forms of entertainment we wish to engage in.
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