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Hairy Jello 05-17-2018 04:11 PM

Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
She did it. First female CIA director.

Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency

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Gina Haspel was confirmed Thursday as CIA director, becoming the first woman to lead the agency and overcoming initial Democratic opposition regarding her role in post-9/11 interrogation and detention practices.

The Senate voted 54-45 to confirm President Trump's nominee, with six Democrats supporting and two Republicans defecting. Haspel, whose nomination was endorsed by the Senate Intelligence Committee a day earlier, previously was deputy director and has spent her career with the agency.

Haspel earned emphatic support from GOP lawmakers as well as intelligence community members from both Democratic and Republican administrations.

cnredd 05-17-2018 11:02 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
Someone finally beat the "War on Women"...:yes :D

saltwn 05-18-2018 12:40 AM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
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Originally Posted by Hairy Jello (Post 934401)

When it comes to security I am not interested in breaking the glass ceiling as much as having a qualified leader of the CIA.
Despite Trump's obvious throwing a bone to the mad maga bunch, she happens to appear the best or one of the best qualified for the job. She got schooled about the torture as did the rest of our law officers.
Yet she made it through that w/o getting canned. That tells me something.
Hope I'm not wrong but along with Madus and Rosenberg she might be one of the few in the hierarchy who's actually not a F- up :thumbsup

GottaGo 05-18-2018 06:59 AM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
As Salty said it looks like capability seems to have won on this one. Who cares if she is a woman or not, she has the experience, and was the best pick. :thumbsup

mr wonder 05-18-2018 02:46 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
Experience at torture and the cover up of torture Is not what I like to see in a CIA chief.
She should be in jail, along with many others. At the VERY least she should have LOST her job.
Not be placed at the head of the agency.
The fact that she's a woman makes no difference. If a woman is waterboarding you or man you still can't breathe.
The choices she made show POOR, immoral, illegal thinking and general lack of moral judgement.

I'm sorry to see so many willing to not only to give her a PASS but move her to the top of the heap rather than those that chose to RESIGN or whistle blow on torture to maintain "the law" and the moral and legal standards we PREACH to other countries about.

Her appointment just shows the world again that we're hypocrites. And don't really give a d@mn about rules or morals when it comes down to it.

GetAClue 05-18-2018 04:05 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 934459)
Experience at torture and the cover up of torture Is not what I like to see in a CIA chief.
She should be in jail, along with many others. At the VERY least she should have LOST her job.
Not be placed at the head of the agency.
The fact that she's a woman makes no difference. If a woman is waterboarding you or man you still can't breathe.
The choices she made show POOR, immoral, illegal thinking and general lack of moral judgement.

I'm sorry to see so many willing to not only to give her a PASS but move her to the top of the heap rather than those that chose to RESIGN or whistle blow on torture to maintain "the law" and the moral and legal standards we PREACH to other countries about.

Her appointment just shows the world again that we're hypocrites. And don't really give a d@mn about rules or morals when it comes down to it.

You do realize that when she was involved in the waterboarding, it was condoned by the Presidents admin, the DOJ and both houses of Congress in a bipartisan manner. What was she supposed to do, say no?

You enjoy the advantage of looking at things after the fact, but at the time there was a feeling that we should do everything possible to extract information from these terrorists. Personally, I would waterboard my own mother if I thought it would save American lives.

Dog Man 05-18-2018 04:33 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
Can anyone tell me if she is Leslie Winkles mother?

https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...g&action=click

mr wonder 05-18-2018 04:35 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
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Originally Posted by GetAClue (Post 934470)
You do realize that when she was involved in the waterboarding, it was condoned by the Presidents admin, the DOJ and both houses of Congress in a bipartisan manner. What was she supposed to do, say no?

You enjoy the advantage of looking at things after the fact, but at the time there was a feeling that we should do everything possible to extract information from these terrorists. Personally, I would waterboard my own mother if I thought it would save American lives.

A CIA professional trained in interrogation techniques would know better.
they've known for centuries torture doesn't work.
They've also known that's it's illegal, EVEN if the President says to do it.

But as far as the LEADER giving the orders or "condoning" it goes. Well,
No soldier or anyone sworn to uphold and defend the constitution has to obey an illegal order. period. is the constitution the highest law or is it the President's word?

Waterboarding has been considered illegal and torture for over 500 years.
AND those professionals within the intel community KNEW that.... even on a pragmatic level... torture is INEFFECTIVE in interrogation.
Even Napoleon Knew this.

Some people in the CIA and other agencies DID refuse to participate. Some whitsle blew the actions becasue they were illegal.
Why weren't they PROMOTED since they knew then, what she claims she's realizes in Hindsight.

mr wonder 05-18-2018 07:04 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 

From 2003 to 2005, Gina Haspel was a senior official overseeing a top-secret C.I.A. program that subjected dozens of suspected terrorists to savage interrogations, which included depriving them of sleep, squeezing them into coffins, and forcing water down their throats. In 2002, Haspel was among the C.I.A. officers present at the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, an Al Qaeda suspect who was tortured so brutally that at one point he appeared to be dead....

...From 2003 to 2005, Gina Haspel was a senior official overseeing a top-secret C.I.A. program that subjected dozens of suspected terrorists to savage interrogations, which included depriving them of sleep, squeezing them into coffins, and forcing water down their throats. In 2002, Haspel was among the C.I.A. officers present at the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, an Al Qaeda suspect who was tortured so brutally that at one point he appeared to be dead...

...In 2002, according to people I spoke to, Haspel was present at a C.I.A. black site in Thailand when Zubaydah and al-Nashiri were being tortured. It’s not clear whether she took part in the interrogations themselves. Abu Zubaydah’s interrogation, which is recounted in the Intelligence Committee’s landmark investigation, was particularly gruesome. According to the report, he was waterboarded eighty-three times; at one point, he became non-responsive, with water bubbling up from his lungs. Doctors had to revive him. During his confinement, Zubaydah lost sight in his left eye....
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...lack-site-past


moral compass?
Best CIA pick?
Best Experience?

not even close

Bush started this crap. Obama promised he'd deal with it. He didn't, he wanted to "look ahead", He didn't FIRE or even DEMOTE this woman or ANY of the people who committed war crimes. But hey he had a "KILL LIST". so what should we expect?

Bat 05-19-2018 03:06 PM

Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency
 
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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 934480)

From 2003 to 2005, Gina Haspel was a senior official overseeing a top-secret C.I.A. program that subjected dozens of suspected terrorists to savage interrogations, which included depriving them of sleep, squeezing them into coffins, and forcing water down their throats. In 2002, Haspel was among the C.I.A. officers present at the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, an Al Qaeda suspect who was tortured so brutally that at one point he appeared to be dead....

...From 2003 to 2005, Gina Haspel was a senior official overseeing a top-secret C.I.A. program that subjected dozens of suspected terrorists to savage interrogations, which included depriving them of sleep, squeezing them into coffins, and forcing water down their throats. In 2002, Haspel was among the C.I.A. officers present at the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, an Al Qaeda suspect who was tortured so brutally that at one point he appeared to be dead...

...In 2002, according to people I spoke to, Haspel was present at a C.I.A. black site in Thailand when Zubaydah and al-Nashiri were being tortured. It’s not clear whether she took part in the interrogations themselves. Abu Zubaydah’s interrogation, which is recounted in the Intelligence Committee’s landmark investigation, was particularly gruesome. According to the report, he was waterboarded eighty-three times; at one point, he became non-responsive, with water bubbling up from his lungs. Doctors had to revive him. During his confinement, Zubaydah lost sight in his left eye....
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...lack-site-past


moral compass?
Best CIA pick?
Best Experience?

not even close

Bush started this crap. Obama promised he'd deal with it. He didn't, he wanted to "look ahead", He didn't FIRE or even DEMOTE this woman or ANY of the people who committed war crimes. But hey he had a "KILL LIST". so what should we expect?

Yeah, torture doesn't work well and is stupid.
I'm of the opinion that when it comes to war and terrorists death is better than torture.

Kinda like this,
You have x number of prisoners that are terrorists.
Ask the first one what he knows in front of all the others.
If he refuses to cooperate you kill him. In front of all the others.
Move on to the next one and do the same thing.
Keep going until you get answers or they are all dead. No torture.

We should tell all nations that that is how we operate because we don't believe in torture.
And yes, our men and women in the military should be told to expect the same treatment from our enemies.


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