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Old 04-06-2018, 03:07 PM
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The military is made to fight wars. Are they going to sit on the boarder and just shoot people as the hit the boarder. to stop the "invasion"
That would quickly put a stop to it.

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Plus again the Posse Comitatus law says that the military should not be operating inside the country except for insurrection invasion and other extremes. So they shouldn't even try it.
When millions are here after illegally crossing our southern border, yes, that is an invasion. The military needs to get involved since politicians aren't stopping it; instead they are rewarding the illegal invaders with all kinds of freebies at our expense. This is very wrong!

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Can anyone tell me why doesn't trump DECOMMISSION 5000-10,000 troops and have them rehired and retrained to as domestic Boarder patrol or ICE? so it WILL be LEGAL?
Repelling invaders is a legitimate use of our military.

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Is that such a hardship to ask that the president follow the law? is that too partisan?
He IS following the law; people who oppose that are the partisan ones.
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:14 PM
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Obama and Bush did it , and some people liked it, so that makes it OK then?
really?

Obama and Bush and congress pass killed Posse Comitatus.
President Bush and President Obama did not violate the Posse Comitatus Act when they used the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol during their administrations. The National Guard did not enforce any laws but instead provided other services, such as surveillance, to the Border Patrol that enforced the laws. They made no arrests nor did they confront any person related to the enforcement of the law while on duty under Bush or Obama.
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President Bush and President Obama did not violate the Posse Comitatus Act when they used the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol during their administrations. The National Guard did not enforce any laws but instead provided other services, such as surveillance, to the Border Patrol that enforced the laws. They made no arrests nor did they confront any person related to the enforcement of the law while on duty under Bush or Obama.
So are they going to be going anything different in this situation? From what I hear, they are going to be doing essentially the same thing.
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whataboutwhataboutwhatabout

Gotcha. Lack of reply about the current president and "Bu-bu-bu Obama!" noted.

We know that Obama failed to close Gitmo, liberals were disappointed about that among other issues, but that's no reason to gloss over Trump's drift away from his campaign promises.
No funny little boy you got it all wrong.
Trump's been in office for not even 15 months, Barack had 8 years and still Gitmo is open.

Get it now?
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:11 PM
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That would quickly put a stop to it.
Sure would.
And film of dead kids shot by US troops on the boarder would be great for the next election cycle for Trump

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When millions are here after illegally crossing our southern border, yes, that is an invasion. The military needs to get involved since politicians aren't stopping it; instead they are rewarding the illegal invaders with all kinds of freebies at our expense. This is very wrong!
Invasion :an act of invading; especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder.
Sure we can play with words emotionally to get anything we want i guess.
I mean when the left reads the words of the constitution that say "PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE" they think It means the gov't can give everyone EVERYTHING becasue that's what "THE GENERAL WELFARE" means right? riiiiight?
It's difficult trying to discuss things when people want to stretch the meanings of terms to fit their political desires rather than looking at the meaning AS written in the historical and legal context.

Bottom line, we KNOW that it's not a MILITARY invasion. not even close.

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Repelling invaders is a legitimate use of our military.
Bottom line, we KNOW it's not a military invasion.

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He IS following the law; people who oppose that are the partisan ones.
not really,
and i'm an equal opportunity hater... not a partisan one.
I spew buckshot criticism on any politician that's doing unconstitutional, shady or immoral crap.
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President Bush and President Obama did not violate the Posse Comitatus Act when they used the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol during their administrations. The National Guard did not enforce any laws but instead provided other services, such as surveillance, to the Border Patrol that enforced the laws. They made no arrests nor did they confront any person related to the enforcement of the law while on duty under Bush or Obama.
I don't think i said they Broke it, I said they KILLED it.
with the Passage of various "patriot acts" the Homeland security act" the serial passages of the NDAAs, the "Military Commission Act" and various executive orders like "Obama Executive Order 13528".
Which all together basically use the dual excuses of "natural disaster" and "terrorism" says that the U.S is "part of the battlefield" so the military can operate in the U.S.. and the 4th amendment doesn't apply, and theres no right to Habeus Corpus, that citizens or not, folks can be tossed into jail indefinitely or killed... without trail... by the military... or than can operate in any capacity the Presidents and the Governors see fit.
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