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I've been listening to Milo Yiannapolis videos on youtube and in one he lamented the fact that liberals are good at organizing and holding rallies and protests while conservatives don't respond in kind, but they need to in order to fight against the anti-freedom and pro-illegal immigration policies of the regressive left. Thus I was very glad to see this rally and hope to see more pro-American people banning together to make their voices be heard as well.

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Supporters of President Trump and the families of victims of illegal immigrant crime held a pro-border wall rally in San Diego, California on Tuesday as the president toured prototypes of the wall.

Trump supporters drowned out small gatherings of open borders activists and illegal aliens who were protesting Trump’s visit to San Diego, chanting “Build that wall!” and telling stories of what illegal immigration has specifically done to the sanctuary state of California:

“I am sick and tired of hearing about illegal alien dreams,” one speaker told the crowd of Trump supporters. “I am sick and tired of hearing about illegal alien DREAMers.”

“You see all these pictures behind us,” the speaker said as he pointed to the banners of photos of Americans who have been killed by illegal aliens. “These are the dreams that I care about. And everyone in this crowd, you are the dreams that I care about. And those are the dreams that the politicians in this country should care about. Any politician that protects illegal aliens over American citizens should be in prison.”
I agree wholeheartedly with the last sentence above.

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Annually, the federal government shells out approximately $45.8 billion in costs on illegal aliens and their children – including expenditures for public education, healthcare, justice enforcement initiatives, and welfare programs. Meanwhile, state and local costs of illegal aliens total nearly $89 billion a year, which includes their tax drain on public schools, city and county infrastructure, as well as local courts and prisons.
WATCH: 'Sick and Tired of Hearing About Illegal Alien Dreams!' Border Wall Advocates Rally in San Diego | Breitbart
It is insane to reward lawbreaking illegal immigrants with welfare, and those who love our country need to become more active and take out country back from the regressive policies of the left that Democrat and RINO politicians have instituted as policy.
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This is our immigration policy right now...
1. Sneak into the country/pay someone to bring you in.
2. If you can, have children.
3. Avoid deportation if deported come back in.
4. Wait for things to reach a critical point where something has to be done.
5. Get amnesty.

And somehow the left thinks that's a GREAT way to handle immigration.
The problem I have with amnesty is it continues the problem. In the past when amnesty has been given, it has always been, "We have to do it this time, but we're going to fix it and then never again." I feel for the kids I really do. But, we have to increase the incentive to come here legally, while decreasing the incentive to come here illegally. We have to find the right balance.

As an extreme example, if illegal immigrants, even the children, were executed illegal immigration would for all practical purposes end. Now I'm not for executing illegal immigrants. But, we need to stop making it so dang attractive to come here illegally.

What I would do about illegal immigration:

1. There must be no freebies for illegal immigrants.
2. There must be no jobs for illegal immigrants. People providing them jobs should be criminally prosecuted.
3. We should allow substantially more immigrants in legally.
4. We should streamline the process for immigrating legally. It should not be so hard or so expensive.
5. Anyone here illegally should be deported, dreamer or otherwise.
6. If you self deport, we won't hold it against you that you came here illegally when you apply to come legally other than that you go to the end of the line. If you had to be deported, it's a mark against you. You could still be granted entrance, but all other things being equal, the other guy gets in ahead of you.
7. If amnesty is granted (and this would ONLY apply in special circumstances) and you are allowed to stay here legally. You shouldn't be able to EVER obtain full citizenship. Especially, you shouldn't be allowed to vote or run for or hold public office. Those privileges are retained for people who immigrate here LEGALLY.
8. If you come here illegally and engage in criminal activity, you face double the penalties for the crimes you commit.
9. If both parents are illegal in the country illegally, children born of illegal immigrants in the states are still US citizens. But, that doesn't grant the illegal parents ANY special privileges they can take the child with them when they are deported or leave them here. If they take the child with them, as a citizen he/she can come back at any time. Only the child though.
10. All assets of illegal immigrants being deported can and will be seized. Come and stay here illegally, you risk losing everything.
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The problem I have with amnesty is it continues the problem.
EXACTLY! Each amnesty encourages more illegal immigrants to come here, hoping that they'll get amnesty, too. This has happened too often.

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What I would do about illegal immigration:

1. There must be no freebies for illegal immigrants.
2. There must be no jobs for illegal immigrants. People providing them jobs should be criminally prosecuted.
3. We should allow substantially more immigrants in legally.
4. We should streamline the process for immigrating legally. It should not be so hard or so expensive.
5. Anyone here illegally should be deported, dreamer or otherwise.
6. If you self deport, we won't hold it against you that you came here illegally when you apply to come legally other than that you go to the end of the line. If you had to be deported, it's a mark against you. You could still be granted entrance, but all other things being equal, the other guy gets in ahead of you.
7. If amnesty is granted (and this would ONLY apply in special circumstances) and you are allowed to stay here legally. You shouldn't be able to EVER obtain full citizenship. Especially, you shouldn't be allowed to vote or run for or hold public office. Those privileges are retained for people who immigrate here LEGALLY.
8. If you come here illegally and engage in criminal activity, you face double the penalties for the crimes you commit.
9. If both parents are illegal in the country illegally, children born of illegal immigrants in the states are still US citizens. But, that doesn't grant the illegal parents ANY special privileges they can take the child with them when they are deported or leave them here. If they take the child with them, as a citizen he/she can come back at any time. Only the child though.
10. All assets of illegal immigrants being deported can and will be seized. Come and stay here illegally, you risk losing everything.
I agree with everything except item no. 3. I don't see the need for more immigrants. I'd rather see the number decreased. We've already taken in millions. That may help them, but does it really help our country? I don't see how.
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The problem I have with amnesty is it continues the problem.
I agree.The Reagan amnesty has shown this to be true.It has also shown us that any so called immigration reform compromise with amnesty or some sort of other legal status for illegals can't ever be trusted. Because enforcement can be yanked, legal status or amnesty once granted won't be yanked.



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3. We should allow substantially more immigrants in legally.
4. We should streamline the process for immigrating legally. It should not be so hard or so expensive.

I disagree wit 3 and 4. A million people a year come into the US legally each year. We naturalize over 650,000 to almost 780,000 immigrants a year. We have at least 12.6 million green card holders. If anything we should allow less each. We don't need to streamline the process.

https://www.uscis.gov/archive/archiv...ion-fact-sheet
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...nited-states-1
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5. Anyone here illegally should be deported, dreamer or otherwise.
If we have to catch them then they should serve a minimum of 6 month in jail assuming its their first illegal entry or two years in prison if its their 2nd illegal entry before being deported. Illegally being in this country shouldn't be just a free all expenses paid trip home. If they commit crimes other than illegal immigration then they should serve time for that too before being deported. This catch and release is how we have that illegal in California who killed that woman or any other illegal who has been deported multiple times and has committed a more serious criminal offense.



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. If you self deport, we won't hold it against you that you came here illegally when you apply to come legally other than that you go to the end of the line. If you had to be deported, it's a mark against you. You could still be granted entrance, but all other things being equal, the other guy gets in ahead of you
If they had to be deported then they should never be allowed back in for any reason what so ever.(unless its to serve prison time for a criminal offense.
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I agree.The Reagan amnesty has shown this to be true.It has also shown us that any so called immigration reform compromise with amnesty or some sort of other legal status for illegals can't ever be trusted. Because enforcement can be yanked, legal status or amnesty once granted won't be yanked.

I disagree wit 3 and 4. A million people a year come into the US legally each year. We naturalize over 650,000 to almost 780,000 immigrants a year. We have at least 12.6 million green card holders. If anything we should allow less each. We don't need to streamline the process.

https://www.uscis.gov/archive/archiv...ion-fact-sheet
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...nited-states-1
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The line to enter the US is "4 million long" and it can take 6 years or longer to obtain a visa. There are an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. If we sent 11 million home and let 4 million in I would see that as a net gain.

If someone has to wait 6 to 15 years to come here, we are losing any benefit we would get from having them here.

4 Million children are born a year. Letting in an extra 200 to 300 thousand people who want to work and provide for themselves is not going to be a huge drain on us. We are NOT and SHOULD not let them in to be a drain on welfare etc. But if they want to work hard and be successful, I have NO problem with them being here.

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If we have to catch them then they should serve a minimum of 6 month in jail assuming its their first illegal entry or two years in prison if its their 2nd illegal entry before being deported. Illegally being in this country shouldn't be just a free all expenses paid trip home. If they commit crimes other than illegal immigration then they should serve time for that too before being deported. This catch and release is how we have that illegal in California who killed that woman or any other illegal who has been deported multiple times and has committed a more serious criminal offense.
Except I don't want to spend the money to house them, clothe them, feed them, etc. That's why I'm all about seizing their assets. How bout we split the difference and say they get 2 1/2 years on the second offence?



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If they had to be deported then they should never be allowed back in for any reason what so ever.(unless its to serve prison time for a criminal offense.
While I agree in principle, I want to give an incentive to them to get out on their own, which would be far cheaper than rounding them up ourselves.
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If someone has to wait 6 to 15 years to come here, we are losing any benefit we would get from having them here.
What is the benefit to adding more immigrants to our population?
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What is the benefit to adding more immigrants to our population?
Your question is a fair one but, it will always lose to the argument that "we are a nation of immigrants."

Yes we are. But, that doesn't mean we have to be a nation of welfare immigrants. There-in lies the difference.

If large Corporations want an influx of cheap labor, why aren't THEY paying for it?
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What is the benefit to adding more immigrants to our population?
If we deported all the people here illegally and let everyone in that is waiting to come in legally, it would be a net change of -7 million.

Immigration strengthens us. I am NOT anti-immigration. Those people that want to come here and be a PART of who we are should be allowed to do so.

People are a resource. People who want to work hard and share their skills is a resource. I'm not going to complain about a resource. I don't want to let in people who would become a drain on society. That's why I want to END illegal immigration. But if you have something beneficial to ADD I want you here. I'll give you that opportunity. The same way my great great grandparents got the opportunity.

If you want to come here and sit around and have us take care of you or you want to come here and engage in illegal activities, and basically be a drain on society, then nope, I don't want you here. Don't want anything to do with you.

But anyone who will benefit our society and that includes being willing to work hard at jobs that other's don't want. Heck yeah I'll take you.
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The line to enter the US is "4 million long" and it can take 6 years or longer to obtain a visa.
Still does not change the fact that already we allow in a million people a year legally into this country. I wouldn't care if the line is 10 million long. Coming here is a privilege. Our immigration polices should be that the immigrants we take in can successfully assimilate and not displace Americans out of work or depress wages. The fact that many people are in line just shows that many of those countries are **** holes.

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There are an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in this country.
Many illegal immigration opponents argue that number is higher is around 20 million or higher. 11 million is the number amnesty pushers use to make it seem as though not that many people would get amnesty or that our illegal immigration problem is not that bad so enforcement is not really needed..

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If we sent 11 million home and let 4 million in I would see that as a net gain.
4 million legal people plus the additional you want to flood the country with would flood the labor pool.

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If someone has to wait 6 to 15 years to come here, we are losing any benefit we would get from having them here.
Many amnesty pushers would argue that we are benefiting form illegal aliens.
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4 Million children are born a year. Letting in an extra 200 to 300 thousand people who want to work and provide for themselves is not going to be a huge drain on us. We are NOT and SHOULD not let them in to be a drain on welfare etc. But if they want to work hard and be successful, I have NO problem with them being here.
We already allow a million people into this country each year. We don't need more. Our immigration standards shouldn't be losened. If anything we should lesson the number of people we allow into the country.

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Except I don't want to spend the money to house them, clothe them, feed them, etc. That's why I'm all about seizing their assets. How bout we split the difference and say they get 2 1/2 years on the second offence?

Jailing illegal aliens makes illegal immigration more of a deterrent. That deterrent will deter future illegal immigration thus reducing costs of jailing or imprisoning them.It will deter them to leave on their own. We are not Norway, so our jails and prisons are not what amounts to college dormitories.

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While I agree in principle, I want to give an incentive to them to get out on their own, which would be far cheaper than rounding them up ourselves.
The incentive for them to leave on their own is that if they are caught they will go to jail or prison,deported once their sentence is served and never allowed to step on American soil again.Other incentives would be no education,welfare,foodstamps, school or any other tax payer funded aid,services or benefits for them or their kids.
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Individuals that were brought into the United States are not "illegal aliens" but instead are "undocumented aliens" (a minor misdemeanor) under federal law that does not require their deportation. They're "undocumented" because the law never provided a means for them to become documented once they became adults. They are Americans and have been Americans since the day they became adults living in the United States.

Polls indicate that 86% of ALL American citizens, including 75% of Republicans and 97% of Democrats, agree with the fact that these childhood arrivals are Americans and should be granted legal documentation that's been previously denied to them because of an inadequacy in our immigration law. They agree that a pathway to citizenship should be provided because these childhood arrivals are and have always been Americans when they became adults.

Only the White Nationalists (White Supremacists) tend to object because these childhood arrivals are virtually all non-white Americans.
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