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Old 03-15-2018, 10:09 AM
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Individuals that were brought into the United States are not "illegal aliens" but instead are "undocumented aliens" (a minor misdemeanor) under federal law that does not require their deportation. .
Wrong. They are illegal aliens. An executive order temporarily delaying their deportation does not make them something other than illegal aliens.

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They're "undocumented" because the law never provided a means for them to become documented once they became adults. They are Americans and have been Americans since the day they became adults living in the United States.
Undocumented is nothing more than an illegal alien testicle licker term for illegal alien because they are trying to hide the illegality of what those people are doing.

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Polls indicate that 86% of ALL American citizens, including 75% of Republicans and 97% of Democrats,
86% of poll respondents do not represent all Americans.

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agree with the fact that these childhood arrivals are Americans and should be granted legal documentation that's been previously denied to them because of an inadequacy in our immigration law.
Those illegal aliens are not Americans they are citizens of Mexico,Canada or what ever other country they are from.
The reason they are denied legal documentation is because they are here illegally in this country.
They never were Americans in the first place because they are here illegally in this country.
The fact we allow a million people a year to come into this country legally proves our immigration law is not inadequate. If anything that proves our immigration law is too loose.Americans are people who are either born in the United States, born to American citizens abroad or they were immigrants who were naturalized or given citizenship.




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Only the White Nationalists (White Supremacists) tend to object because these childhood arrivals are virtually all non-white Americans
Wrong.People opposed to illegal immigration object to these illegal immigrants getting legal status or amnesty. Trying to paint the opposition to these illegal immigrants getting legal status or amnesty as racist is nothing more than an illegal alien testicle licker tactic. Amnesty pushers tend to always paint the opposition to illegals getting amnesty or legal status as racist.
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... and should be granted legal documentation that's been previously denied to them because of an inadequacy in our immigration law.
They are here because of an inadequacy of our immigration laws.

That is the circle jerk logic we have cycled through already; it is not working.
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Individuals that were brought into the United States are not "illegal aliens" but instead are "undocumented aliens" (a minor misdemeanor) under federal law that does not require their deportation. They're "undocumented" because the law never provided a means for them to become documented once they became adults. They are Americans and have been Americans since the day they became adults living in the United States.

Polls indicate that 86% of ALL American citizens, including 75% of Republicans and 97% of Democrats, agree with the fact that these childhood arrivals are Americans and should be granted legal documentation that's been previously denied to them because of an inadequacy in our immigration law. They agree that a pathway to citizenship should be provided because these childhood arrivals are and have always been Americans when they became adults.

Only the White Nationalists (White Supremacists) tend to object because these childhood arrivals are virtually all non-white Americans.
Again, you're just making things up. There is no " undocumented aliens law" that I'm aware of. If I'm incorrect, please lead me in the right direction. If there were it would not be a "minor misdemeanor". If there were deportation would be the penalty. Isn't that why these brought here's are in danger of being deported. You're correct of course, there is no providing them a means of becoming documented. They be Americans, but they are not USians. And being USians does not have anything to do with age. Legal newborns are USians the day they are born.

I question your poll figures. But it doesn't matter.

Nice dig with the white nationalist thingy. That too doesn't matter.

You left out Trumpsters deplorables I expect you will get to that quickly.
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Individuals that were brought into the United States are not "illegal aliens" but instead are "undocumented aliens" (a minor misdemeanor) under federal law that does not require their deportation.
I kindly invite you over to § 237 (8 USC 1227) Deportable aliens:
Specifically Section a.1.b

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Present in violation of law

Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this chapter or any other law of the United States, or whose nonimmigrant visa (or other documentation authorizing admission into the United States as a nonimmigrant) has been revoked under section 221(i) of this Act [8 U.S.C 1201(i)] , is deportable.

As with any law it allows discretion at almost every level of the enforcement and adjudication processes, as it should.
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Individuals that were brought into the United States are not "illegal aliens" but instead are "undocumented aliens" (a minor misdemeanor) under federal law that does not require their deportation. They're "undocumented" because the law never provided a means for them to become documented once they became adults. They are Americans and have been Americans since the day they became adults living in the United States.

Polls indicate that 86% of ALL American citizens, including 75% of Republicans and 97% of Democrats, agree with the fact that these childhood arrivals are Americans and should be granted legal documentation that's been previously denied to them because of an inadequacy in our immigration law. They agree that a pathway to citizenship should be provided because these childhood arrivals are and have always been Americans when they became adults.

Only the White Nationalists (White Supremacists) tend to object because these childhood arrivals are virtually all non-white Americans.
Many of those 'undocumented aliens' have had decades to pursue legal status, and haven't bothered. As far as I'm concerned, they became illegal aliens when they turned 21 without attempting to change their status.

A pathway to citizenship has ALWAYS existed, they chose not to take it. And No, those brought here were and are not American citizens. Those BORN here, buy reinterpretation of the 14A, gives children of criminals the right to claim citizenship.
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