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So is there any doubt left that tRUmp is easily blackmailed? If Stormy has all this, imagine what the Russians have on him.

I'm just glad The Donald has restored some dignity and class to the White House.


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Adult film star Stormy Daniels sued Donald Trump Tuesday, alleging that he never signed the nondisclosure agreement that his lawyer had arranged with her.

The civil suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court and obtained by NBC News, alleges that her agreement not to disclose her "intimate" relationship with Trump is not valid because while both Daniels and Trump's attorney Michael Cohen signed it, Trump never did.
Here is the actual agreement.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_...0Complaint.pdf

Oh Lordy, there are texts and pictures

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The 2016 hush agreement directed that $130,000 be paid into the trust account of Clifford's then-attorney. In return, Clifford was not to disclose any confidential information about Trump or his sexual partners to anyone beyond a short list of individuals she'd already told about the relationship, or share any texts or photos from Trump.
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IF Ms. Daniels accusations are correct, the attorney involved may have had a POA to sign on behalf of Mr. Dennison.

Some of the verbiage is a stretch in a legal document. Ms. Daniels purpose is unclear, other then to invalidate the Agreement she signed. The outcome of that basically says she plans to profit on the event.

If in truth, then Trump needs to keep his zipper shut (along with his mouth). He wouldn't be the first, nor the last President to have wandered. I'm not seeing any great bombshell here.
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So is there any doubt left that tRUmp is easily blackmailed? If Stormy has all this, imagine what the Russians have on him.

I'm just glad The Donald has restored some dignity and class to the White House.


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Here is the actual agreement.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_...0Complaint.pdf

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I'm confused, was Stormy in the oval office doing the Donald?
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IF Ms. Daniels accusations are correct, the attorney involved may have had a POA to sign on behalf of Mr. Dennison.

Some of the verbiage is a stretch in a legal document. Ms. Daniels purpose is unclear, other then to invalidate the Agreement she signed. The outcome of that basically says she plans to profit on the event.

Exactly, and I'm quite sure Stormys lawyer knows that. So all tRUmp needs to do to beat the lawsuit is acknowledge and adopt the contract, and it is 100% binding.

But they also know that politically and probably legally, tRUmp cannot acknowledge or adopt the contract. This is win-win-win for Stormy. Either (1) he refuses to adopt the contract, in which case she gets out of it and gets to sell her story to the networks, (2) tRUmp adopts the contract, which means he admits to paying off a porn star and opens him up to possible FEC violations, and that in itself is a news story, or (3) she gets more money from Trump to drop the suit.

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If in truth, then Trump needs to keep his zipper shut (along with his mouth). He wouldn't be the first, nor the last President to have wandered. I'm not seeing any great bombshell here.
Its about more than just that though, It shows that tRUmp is easily blackmailed (Stormy isn't the only woman he has paid off), and again he could be in trouble with the FEC.
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Exactly, and I'm quite sure Stormys lawyer knows that. So all tRUmp needs to do to beat the lawsuit is acknowledge and adopt the contract, and it is 100% binding.

But they also know that politically and probably legally, tRUmp cannot acknowledge or adopt the contract. This is win-win-win for Stormy. Either (1) he refuses to adopt the contract, in which case she gets out of it and gets to sell her story to the networks, (2) tRUmp adopts the contract, which means he admits to paying off a porn star and opens him up to possible FEC violations, and that in itself is a news story, or (3) she gets more money from Trump to drop the suit.

Its about more than just that though, It shows that tRUmp is easily blackmailed (Stormy isn't the only woman he has paid off), and again he could be in trouble with the FEC.
Actually, no, Trump does not need to adopt the contract.
a. His name isn't on it. The agreement was between Peggy and Dennis(?). If the attorney involved had POA, then Dennis doesn't need to sign it. Peggy is still bound by the agreement in that case.

b. If the people listed in the original contract admit and agree they are so named as the actors, then Peggy has accepted payment for certain actions. What those actions are is not a matter of discussion for the public. Making public the Agreement in and of it's self is a violation of the action she was paid for, which means regardless of who signed it, she has violated the Agreement.

I don't believe Ms. Daniels is doing this for any altruistic reason. It is strictly about squeezing whatever money by whatever means from Dennis.
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Actually, no, Trump does not need to adopt the contract.
a. His name isn't on it. The agreement was between Peggy and Dennis(?). If the attorney involved had POA, then Dennis doesn't need to sign it. Peggy is still bound by the agreement in that case.

b. If the people listed in the original contract admit and agree they are so named as the actors, then Peggy has accepted payment for certain actions. What those actions are is not a matter of discussion for the public. Making public the Agreement in and of it's self is a violation of the action she was paid for, which means regardless of who signed it, she has violated the Agreement.

Absolutely. No argument there. the terms are clear, and she was paid the money. The fact that Trump didn't sign it is irrelevant because it was signed by his agent, I totally get that.

However, Michael Cohen admitted first that he paid her, (WOuldn't that break the contract?) and we found out a few days ago that he was expecting Trump to reimburse him, but tRUmp never did. Did Cohen make that payment pursuant to this agreement? Probably, yes.

So then couldn't Stormy just claim she wasn't paid and therefore it is void? To counter that, tRUmp would have to argue that Cohen paid it for him. And that's probably true, but also something that his lawyers should not want him to be saying.

I don't know i'm not a lawyer or anything, I just see several routes Stormys lawyers could take, and nothing but bad news for tRUmp. I suspect this wont be going away any time soon.

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I don't believe Ms. Daniels is doing this for any altruistic reason. It is strictly about squeezing whatever money by whatever means from Dennis.
Oh of course not. She's looking for a payday no doubt.
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So is there any doubt left that tRUmp is easily blackmailed? If Stormy has all this, imagine what the Russians have on him.
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it seems Stormy does have plenty on Trump.

But you then say "IMAGINE" what the Russians have on him.
that's the problem, WE HAVE TO imagine it Red. your statement seems to ASSUME IT.
And i have ask why JUST focus on "the RUSSIANS"? Why not IMAGINE what MANY other nations may have on him including our own FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA etc have on him?
Or imagine that other nations... including Russia... don't have much. If we're just making stuff up anyway.

But the fixation on Russia is just kinda weird man.

the other thing here to consider about this though is what Trump said during the campaign, "i could stand in the middle of Times Square and shoot someone and not loose any supporters"

I don't think he said it in a complete sentence like that but that was the jist.
and when it comes to his sexual exploits his supporters either won't care or will admire him for it.
I still can't get over how many people on the right were still supporting Roy Moore.
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WHile i beleive story does seem to have plenty on Trump.

you then say "IMAGINE what the Russians have on him.
that the thing WE HAVE TO imagine it Red. your statement seems to ASSUME IT.
And i have ask why JUST focus on "the RUSSIANS"? Why not IMAGINE what MANY other nations may have on him including our own FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA etc have on him?

Or imagine that other nations... including Russia... don't have much. If we're just making stuff up anyway.

But the fixation on Russia is weird man.

the other thing here to consider about this though is what Trump said during the campaign, "i could stand in the middle of Times Square and shot someone and not loose any supporters"

I don't think he said it in a complete sentence like that but that was the jist.
and when it comes to his sexual exploits his supporters either won't care or will admire him for it.
I still can't get over how many people on the right were still supporting Roy Moore.
Given the presidents lifestyle, (For instance, he was partying at Studio 54 in its heyday)

Trump boasted: “I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed, on a bench in the middle of the room. There were seven of them and each one was getting screwed by a different guy.”

The idea that the president has acted in sexually controversial and possibly illegal ways, and that somebody has filmed it, is taken very seriously by intelligence experts. The FBI itself gave tRUmp a briefing in which they told them they believed that Russia had blackmail material on him. And that he needed to be careful when dealing with them.

So whats the truth? Well that's where things get tricky. From what I understand, many intelligence services worldwide and some media outlets are in possession of some sort of tRUmp sex tape. In some of the tapes, the women appear to possibly be children. (I would hope that even his staunchet supporters would leave him if those got out), And yes, some of these tapes have been shared with the Special Counsel investigation. However a lot of the tapes floating around simply cannot be verified, and some of them are obvious fakes. This means that someone is spreading fake Trump tapes to muddy the waters and to create chaos and confusion.

The obvious answer is that its the Kremlin that is doing it to protect tRUmp, because with so many fakes out their, for any media outlet to report on it they would have to be 100 percent rock solid that what they were reporting was accurate. Which would involve verifying things that would be almost impossible to verify.
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Given the presidents lifestyle, (For instance, he was partying at Studio 54 in its heyday)

Trump boasted: “I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed, on a bench in the middle of the room. There were seven of them and each one was getting screwed by a different guy.”

The idea that the president has acted in sexually controversial and possibly illegal ways, and that somebody has filmed it, is taken very seriously by intelligence experts.
I would not be surprised by that AT ALL. it's very likely.

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The FBI itself gave tRUmp a briefing in which they told them they believed that Russia had blackmail material on him. And that he needed to be careful when dealing with them.
link please.
and you say "From what I understand, many intelligence services worldwide and some media outlets are in possession of some sort of tRUmp sex tape."
So tthe FBI would have to warn him about the other nations as well correct. no need to simply focus on Russia correct?


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So whats the truth? Well that's where things get tricky. From what I understand, many intelligence services worldwide and some media outlets are in possession of some sort of tRUmp sex tape. In some of the tapes, the women appear to possibly be children. (I would hope that even his staunchet supporters would leave him if those got out) -I hope so too-, And yes, some of these tapes have been shared with the Special Counsel investigation. However a lot of the tapes floating around simply cannot be verified, and some of them are obvious fakes.
that makes sense. Links please to "Special Counsel " or other officials verifying these tapes.

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This means that someone is spreading fake Trump tapes to muddy the waters and to create chaos and confusion.
Ok maaayybeee, that's one option. maybe they thought they would fly as legit enough. maybe they simply made them for porn and profit.
but I guess muddying the waters is one option... seems to take a leap to assume that though. since we don't know the origins or really anything of all these tapes.

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The obvious answer is that its the Kremlin that is doing it to protect tRUmp,
Uh, no. it's not so "obvious" Red. not at all.

But it is one long shot speculative, option among others about something we have nothing to go on but vague "reports" about various sex tapes.
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Just got around to reading the lawsuit, and it appears that Stormy Daniels' NDA with tRUmp had a point where she could not discuss "paternity information" with anyone.

WHAT?

This would seem to imply Trump got Stormy pregnant, and since she has no child from that time, one could infer he persuaded her to have an abortion.

Hahaha....I can't wait till this gets confirmed. That's some tasty schadenfreude right there.
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