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FULL TEXT ADDED -- MEMO RELEASED=> House Intelligence Committee Releases Classified FISA Memo

key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the intial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.*

DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele’s bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president


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House Intelligence memo released: What it says

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The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The four FISA surveillance applications were signed by, in various combinations, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente, and Rod Rosenstein.

* The FBI authorized payments to Steele for work on the dossier. The FBI terminated its agreement with Steele in late October when it learned, by reading an article in Mother Jones, that Steele was talking to the media.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.
There's nothing really earth-shattering here...But it DOES confirm some things already known....

Obviously, no judge worth their salt would allow a FISA warrant based on a dossier that was KNOWN TO THE JUDGE that it was paid for by the Clinton campaign AND the Democrat National Committee...

My question was "Were the people asking for the warrant also ignorant of this fact (at the time)? Or did they know and deiberately hide that fact from the judge?...

Here, the answer is clear...The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications...
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I would LOOOOOOVE to hear a public interview with the judge that originally allowed the FISA warrant...

"How do you feel knowing the FBI and DoJ withheld crucial facts from you?"...
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I would LOOOOOOVE to hear a public interview with the judge that originally allowed the FISA warrant...

"How do you feel knowing the FBI and DoJ withheld crucial facts from you?"...

My question is about the FBI also paying Steele. Was the payment detail also part of the FISC application that conveniently left out the DNC payments to Fusion GPS? If so, quite a ruse. Jim Jordan was probably right.
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One thing (not in the memo) is something that has been gnawing on me for awhile...

Remember when the FBI (Comey in particular) showed BOTH Obama and Trump the dossier?...

Why didn't he tell them "Oh yeah...By the way"...This dossier was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democrat National Committee."...

That fact went public just a few months ago, yet Comey showed the dossier to Obama and Trump before Trump was even president..And there's ZERO CHANCE Trump wouldn't have yelled that into the first microphone he saw...So there's ZERO CHANCE he was told by Comey...
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One thing (not in the memo) is something that has been gnawing on me for awhile...

Remember when the FBI (Comey in particular) showed BOTH Obama and Trump the dossier?...

Why didn't he tell them "Oh yeah...By the way"...This dossier was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democrat National Committee."...

That fact went public just a few months ago, yet Comey showed the dossier to Obama and Trump before Trump was even president..And there's ZERO CHANCE Trump wouldn't have yelled that into the first microphone he saw...So there's ZERO CHANCE he was told by Comey...
Supposedly, Comey had signed off on the application 3 times. This may force the FISA applications and supporting documents out into the open.
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FULL TEXT ADDED -- MEMO RELEASED=> House Intelligence Committee Releases Classified FISA Memo

key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the intial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.



* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.*

DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele’s bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president

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I can see where McCabe might want to retire early. I can also see why Adam Schiff wanted to protect Fusion GPS and the money trail.
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One thing (not in the memo) is something that has been gnawing on me for awhile...

Remember when the FBI (Comey in particular) showed BOTH Obama and Trump the dossier?...

Why didn't he tell them "Oh yeah...By the way"...This dossier was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democrat National Committee."...

That fact went public just a few months ago, yet Comey showed the dossier to Obama and Trump before Trump was even president..And there's ZERO CHANCE Trump wouldn't have yelled that into the first microphone he saw...So there's ZERO CHANCE he was told by Comey...
Candidate Trump did complain that he was being surveilled by the Obama government. He was shouted down. Mocked and scolded for making such a claim. Those taunts from his critics remain in today's conversations. Imagine, without proof he could publish, what would have been the reaction to that which you are suggesting.

Frankly, giving his ability to outsmart the best organized and funded opposition ever assembled, I'm not surprised if let all this hang out for so long on purpose. The more the left squeezed the Russian story with stone cold negative results, the dumber and more pathetic their "resist" movement looks. Given the polling on his SOTU speech, And the gross level of work accomplished so far, I would suggest that his strategy's are working. At least for the general American people. And the one's employed by the Democrats are not.

They should take a cold hard introspective look. And best do it soon. Elections coming this fall are critical to their survival. I doubt the GOP will lay up another easy one like Judge Moore again for a while. The Russian collusion thingy is a snipe hunt. The dawn light is coming and they should give up, fold their empty gunny sacks, and come in out of the cold.
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I can see where McCabe might want to retire early. I can also see why Adam Schiff wanted to protect Fusion GPS and the money trail.
This is only the beginning of it. A few hard tugs on the threads now at hand, and the entire sweater, know as the Obama administration Department of Justice, may come unraveled.


Not something about which to gloat, because it means we the people voted and allowed our nation's leaders to fail it's people for 8 years
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There's nothing really earth-shattering here...But it DOES confirm some things already known....
Yes, like the fact that the Dossier was not the basis for the investigation into Trump/Russia. Papadapolous was.

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Obviously, no judge worth their salt would allow a FISA warrant based on a dossier that was KNOWN TO THE JUDGE that it was paid for by the Clinton campaign AND the Democrat National Committee...
Yes, The partisan memo tries to imply that the dossier is tainted because it is a political hit piece. However, it fails to mention two things:

It was started by republicans.

No one has really pointed out any major inaccuracies in it. Sure a few names and dates were wrong, but nothing has really been disproven, and quite a bit has been proven.

The truth is, the Dossier was likely considered as a part of a whole picture, but without it they still would get the FISA warrant.


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My question was "Were the people asking for the warrant also ignorant of this fact (at the time)? Or did they know and deiberately hide that fact from the judge?...
That is not how investigations work. You say "here is the information we have that indicates we need a warrant"

In other words: there was other information BESIDES the dossier that was used. Because they were looking at the Dossier does not mean that was the basis of the FISA warrant.

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Here, the answer is clear...The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications...
Republicans are the origin of the anti trump research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/u...ul-singer.html

Right up until May of 2016 the Democrats had nothing to do with it.


I also want to point out that the memo leaves out Carter Pages previous history, as a russian agent, they just jump straight to 2016, ignoring all the evidence gained prior.


OH and Id be remiss if I didn't take one last parting shot.

in 2017 regarding Clinton Emails: "Who cares how they were stolen. What matters is the context"

in 2018 regarding Trump Dossier: "All that matters is who found out the info!"


But basically to sum this memo up....when you come up with a misleading memo to allege a huge FBI conspiracy against the president and accidentally show they did everything by the book.....


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