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The dossier author and I suspect the Democrats had been promoting the dossier to news organizations without success. Even the Trump hating media saw it as unverified garbage. Comey resuscitated the dossier by presenting it to Obama and Trump then leaking that was part of a Presidential briefing. When Buzz Feed published the dossier it did so with an unambiguous statement that it was up to the reader to determine its veracity. CNN took their usual partisan approach by "reporting" the dossier had been presented to the President along with lurid details of its content.

Comey in his rabid hatred for Trump never expected the history or the use of the dossier to obtain secret surveillance warrants to surface. Neither did the FBI cabal of McCabe, Strzok, Page, etc. expect their political insurance policy to become public.
Curious how the left places such significance on the now debunked Dossier in it's snarky attacks on the President, but wants to ignore it's importance in the pursuit of gaining the FISA warrants. Trump was spoofed when he claimed his campaign was being wiretapped. Turns out it was.

It is important to realize the significance of the Dossier's origins when viewing the subject of Russian collusion. I recently listened to a Democratic Congressman explain that Carter page has Russian connections going back to 2013 which he believed had more to do with getting the FISA warrants than the dossier'. The warrants were sought to investigate Russian Trump collusion.

Yet no one that we know of, including the Mueller court, has made an issue about the Clinton Russian connection. Not only did her campaign fund the dossier itself, she (and Billy) has Russian connections going back far more than2013.

IMHO the Mueller court should continue as long as it takes to find out everything. And "everything " should include Hillary's involvement with Russian operatives, however slight. Otherwise, the Mueller report whenever completed, will not be taken seriously as a comprehensive and fair evaluation of what happened visa vie the Russians, in the 2016 Presidential election.

Congressman Trey Gowdy(R) has made it clear that he supports the Mueller investigations and trusts the findings will be fair. I trust Gowdy and can only hope his judgment is valid. Meanwhile the pettifog, of the investigation, hangs over the nation.

I hope this is over soon.
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Kindly share with us the book that allows a political party to weaponize law enforcement to spy on political adversaries based on unproven opposition research. Oh wait the so-called book was written by the KGB where the Russian boogeyman Putin used to work.
Its a good thing that this memo proves that didn't happen. But you know what is damaging and is going on right now? POTUS and the GOP claiming they are all so innocent yet instead of letting the investigation play out and prove they are clean, they release sensitive classified intel in a partisan attempt to discredit the FBI investigation into their criminal activity. While constantly attacking the FBI and specifically the people responsible for the investigation as if they were the enemys of the people while coddling Russia and Putin at every opportunity. This reduces confidence that the American Public has in its institutions while also making Putin very happy. Why does everything tRUmp does always seem to benefit putin? I think we all know the reason to that.

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Common sense tells us the FISA warrant application would lead with the strongest evidence first. That's where the dossier appeared on the application. So, what we have is secret surveillance of a major political party on the basis of unproven opposition research by a foreign intelligence agent bought and paid for by Democrats.
UNless you have seen the FISA warrant yourself, you are just talking out your butt.

Carter Page was no longer part of the campaign when the FISA warrant was issued

The Russian/Trump campaign investigation began with Papadopolous, not with a FISA warrant or Carter Page

There was intel on Carter Page being a Russian agent going back to 2013, they already had enough dirt on him to get another FISA warrant. Hell, that's probably why tRUmp hired him to the campaign in the first place. He only hires the best people right!

Quite a bit of the Dossier has been confirmed. And nothing as of yet has been disproven. But its always been just a small portion of the dirt on tRUmp. And just a small part of the FISA warrant issued on Carter Page, who BTW, had his FISA renewed 3 separate times under the Trump admin.

https://themoscowproject.org/dossier/

So what was your issue again?

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What we learned from the memo:

- Extreme abuse of FISA by spying on Carter Page using the bs dossier.

- Russia investigation was nothin' more than a lame witch hunt (no collusion or obstruction).

- FBI and DoJ requested surveillance warrants against Trump during the election using a bs dossier funded by libs.

- Dossier was written by Christopher Steele, who was a spy for Britain and a hardcore Trump-hater and critic.

- Comey, Obama's DoJ, and Clinton campaigned worked together to attack Trump.

Bad day for libs. Very bad.
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What we learned from the memo:

- Extreme abuse of FISA by spying on Carter Page using the bs dossier.

- Russia investigation was nothin' more than a lame witch hunt (no collusion or obstruction).

- FBI and DoJ requested surveillance warrants against Trump during the election using a bs dossier funded by libs.

- Dossier was written by Christopher Steele, who was a spy for Britain and a hardcore Trump-hater and critic.

- Comey, Obama's DoJ, and Clinton campaigned worked together to attack Trump.

Bad day for libs. Very bad.
Bad for the Republic Hairy. Very bad.
These acts by Government agents with intense responsibility abused their given powers in ways never before seen by our citizens. Essentially an attempt at a Coup d e' tat by collision between the DOJ, the FBI and a major political party.
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Even Fox news had to admit this memo is sham.

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Even Fox news had to admit this memo is sham.
Maybe you should quit watching Fox and learn to think for yourself.
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Its a good thing that this memo proves that didn't happen. But you know what is damaging and is going on right now? POTUS and the GOP claiming they are all so innocent yet instead of letting the investigation play out and prove they are clean, they release sensitive classified intel in a partisan attempt to discredit the FBI investigation into their criminal activity. While constantly attacking the FBI and specifically the people responsible for the investigation as if they were the enemys of the people while coddling Russia and Putin at every opportunity. This reduces confidence that the American Public has in its institutions while also making Putin very happy. Why does everything tRUmp does always seem to benefit putin? I think we all know the reason to that.



UNless you have seen the FISA warrant yourself, you are just talking out your butt.

Carter Page was no longer part of the campaign when the FISA warrant was issued

The Russian/Trump campaign investigation began with Papadopolous, not with a FISA warrant or Carter Page

There was intel on Carter Page being a Russian agent going back to 2013, they already had enough dirt on him to get another FISA warrant. Hell, that's probably why tRUmp hired him to the campaign in the first place. He only hires the best people right!

Quite a bit of the Dossier has been confirmed. And nothing as of yet has been disproven. But its always been just a small portion of the dirt on tRUmp. And just a small part of the FISA warrant issued on Carter Page, who BTW, had his FISA renewed 3 separate times under the Trump admin.

https://themoscowproject.org/dossier/

So what was your issue again?

There is no disputing the dossier was used to obtain secret surveillance warrants. There is no disputing an news article created by circular reporting was used as so-called corroboration for the fake dossier. Oh wait, there is imaginary evidence justifying spying on the opposition party. Imaginary evidence should be accepted as fact.

There is no super secret information in the memo. This claim was made by Democrats to protect themselves in the abuse of the FISA process and the Mueller witch hunt. Democrats voted against releasing the memo to other members of Congress not just the public. It is a classic cover up, the breakdown of the rule of law facilitated by the Federal officials sworn to uphold it should never see the light of day.

From the article allegedly verifying the dossier

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It should be assumed that all allegations below remain unsubstantiated until corroborated by independent information
It is instructive that the so-called proof of the dossier only offers a big disclaimer.
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Interesting.

Report: Adam Schiff may have leaked classified information to discredit FISA memo

Did Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, leak classified information in an effort to discredit committee chairman Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and the controversial “FISA memo?” According to a new report, he may have.

After saying the memo’s release would trigger a “constitutional crisis” because of the sensitive information contained in the memo, Law&Crime reported that Schiff may have leaked classified information to reporters on Friday when discrediting the memo.

According to a CNN report, Schiff told reporters on Friday that the memo’s central claim — that the Department of Justice and FBI didn’t disclose the political biases of a source when seeking a FISA warrant on Carter Page — is “unfounded.”

Schiff told the media the memo’s claims were “not accurate” and the FISA court was made aware of the “likely political motivation” behind the Steele dossier. The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and New York Times all reported this, citing anonymous sources, on Friday, CNN noted.

It was Schiff’s comments about whether or not the FISA court was aware of Steele’s political motivations that represent a potential leak of classified information, according to Law&Crime.

Because, as Law&Crime noted, President Donald Trump only authorized the declassification of the FISA memo, not information about the FISA warrant on Page, which remains classified.

Legal experts agreed that Schiff may have gone beyond what was in the public record to discredit the memo, potentially leaking classified information. But they said it would be difficult to find many objections to Schiff’s comments.

Steven Aftergood, director of the government secrecy project at the Federation of American Scientists, told the Washington Examiner: “In the abstract they could be problematic since they go beyond the official public record. But under current circumstances, it is hard for me to imagine anyone objecting.”

Mark Zaid, an attorney who has worked national security cases dealing with classified information, told the Examiner Schiff’s comments likely fall into a “gray area.”

“At first blush I would have some concerns about the details in this statement as to whether it crosses a classification line, but it is possible Rep. Schiff, having had access to the underlying classified information, knows these points are in unclassified paragraphs. So much of these back and forths about the memo are in a gray area on classification,” he said.

Meanwhile, Robert Litt, who served as general counsel for the Office of the Director of National from 2009-2017, said Schiff likely didn’t leak classified information. He explained to the Examiner:

I guess it is hard for me to wrap my mind around the concept that, if it’s not classified to say, “The FBI didn’t tell the FISA Court about Steele’s bias,” it’s classified to say, “That’s false.” I don’t think that you could release what was actually in the [still-classified court] filing. But you could say that what Nunes says is wrong.

Schiff didn’t say what the FISA application said – he said only that what Nunes said isn’t what the application said. If he had gone further and said what the FISA application said, or if he had been talking about different statements in the Nunes memo such that his response would necessarily reveal what the application actually said, it might be different.

“It depends on the circumstances,” he added. “I could see circumstances where you might be violating classification like that. But not in this case.”

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Curious how the left places such significance on the now debunked Dossier in it's snarky attacks on the President, but wants to ignore it's importance in the pursuit of gaining the FISA warrants. Trump was spoofed when he claimed his campaign was being wiretapped. Turns out it was.
I remember the Left yelling how there was no FISA warrants in the first place...Until, of course, there was a FISA warrant found...

Here's lyin' James Clapper doing his usual lyin' back in March, 2017...

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JAMES CLAPPER: I would certainly hope so. I can't say-- obviously, I'm not, I can't speak officially anymore. But I will say that, for the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI, there was no such wiretap activity mounted against-- the president elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign. I can't speak for other Title Three authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity.

CHUCK TODD: Yeah, I was just going to say, if the F.B.I., for instance, had a FISA court order of some sort for a surveillance, would that be information you would know or not know?

JAMES CLAPPER: Yes.

CHUCK TODD: You would be told this?

JAMES CLAPPER: I would know that.

CHUCK TODD: If there was a FISA court order on something like this.

JAMES CLAPPER: Something like this, absolutely.

CHUCK TODD: And at this point, you can't confirm or deny whether that exists?

JAMES CLAPPER: I can deny it.

CHUCK TODD: There is no FISA court order?

JAMES CLAPPER: Not to know my knowledge.

CHUCK TODD: Of anything at Trump Tower?

JAMES CLAPPER: No.
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Interesting.

After saying the memo’s release would trigger a “constitutional crisis” because of the sensitive information contained in the memo, Law&Crime reported that Schiff may have leaked classified information to reporters on Friday when discrediting the memo.
I wonder, what is this supposed “constitutional crisis” that is a result of sharing information with we the people?
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