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I worked the census in 2010 and was surprised that citizenship wasn't one of the criteria. This meant that illegal immigrants would be counted just like citizens. I hadn't thought about how this could give more voting power to districts with high population of illegal immigrants, since House seats are apportioned based on number of citizens in a district. I'm glad to see this question will be returned in the 2020 Census.

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After realizing that former President Barack Obama installed a loophole when he first took office that allowed liberal states to shield millions of illegal immigrants to reshape state Legislatures for Democrats, President Donald Trump is making a big change.

Democrats fear that the Trump administration’s plan to reinstate citizenship questions on the 2020 U.S. Census will cost them a seat in California and billions in funding from the federal government.

With their decision to officially become a Sanctuary State, Californian is shielding roughly 2.3 million illegal immigrants, and the Trump administration is looking to tackle that issue aggressively.

In 1911, the number of U.S. House of Representative seats was permanently set at 435, meaning all 50 states have at least one Representative. Other Representatives are allocated based on population figures determined by the U.S. Census every ten years.

Last month, the Department of Justice sent a letter to the Census Bureau asking that citizenship questions eliminated in 2010 under Obama be reinstated for the 2020 Census.

“This data is critical to the Department’s enforcement of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act and its important protections against racial discrimination in voting,” DOJ General Counsel Arthur E. Gary wrote.”To fully enforce those requirements, the Department needs a reliable calculation of the citizen voting-age population in localities where voting rights violations are alleged or suspected.”

The DOJ argues the Census Bureau’s “rolling and aggregated into one-year, three-year, and five-year estimates” is harmful because it doesn’t reflect the true “citizen voting age population” in the year 2020.

By including the question on whether an immigrant is in the U.S. legally or illegally, the Trump administration will be able to not only hand that information over to federal agencies, but it will greatly reduce the populations in left-leaning districts in blue states.
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I worked the census in 2010 and was surprised that citizenship wasn't one of the criteria. This meant that illegal immigrants would be counted just like citizens. I hadn't thought about how this could give more voting power to districts with high population of illegal immigrants, since House seats are apportioned based on number of citizens in a district. I'm glad to see this question will be returned in the 2020 Census.
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Part of "Making America Great Again," is putting common sense rules, ( Which served the nation well for over 200 years) back in place.

Remember the 3/5th's rule? How did that work out?

You are either a citizen or you are not. Only citizens can vote, and therefore only issues of those citizen's should be represented in Congress.
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Oh Boy! The left is NOT going to like this. They want anyone, from any country, to be able to vote in our elections. Hell they would probably accept absentee ballots from all other countries if they thought it would help them.
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This is good news. Its a shame congress won't make this so that no president can revoke it. States shouldn't be able to use people who are not citizens to get extra representation.
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Ya'all issue is with the constitution not 'Obammma'. I suggest history lessons for all you guys. Now I get it, if it doesnt have to do with guns ya'all propably dont care about it. But your lazyness and ignorance is no excuse. Now there was a time when us colonialists weren't given representation because we were not citizens. That's why our forefathers specifically put into the Constitution the idea of proportional representation. And Jimbo should know better since I've schooled him on this before.

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative…”
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Now there was a time when us colonialists weren't given representation because we were not citizens.
Are you trying to equate colonialists with illegal interlopers?
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Are you trying to equate colonialists with illegal interlopers?
Human beings.
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Human beings.
They are human beings, and so are the inhabitants of every other country, if they belong to Homo sapiens. What is your point? Is it to say that any human interloper can come here and ensconce himself contrary to the laws of the country?
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They are human beings, and so are the inhabitants of every other country, if they belong to Homo sapiens. What is your point? Is it to say that any human interloper can come here and ensconce himself contrary to the laws of the country?

No that's not what I said. Just not as easy to for me to consider people illegal because they are looking for a better life is all.
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