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history , reality

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You know you are actually wrong here, not just about Manning and Snowden being patriots, but the US Constitution is the ultimate boss....
the people made the constitution.
the 1st words of the constitution are,
"We the people..."

what Snowden exposed was a whole AGENCY not OBEYING the constitution.

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btw, the Kremlin has already admitted that Snowden was an assett.

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/48389...-a-low-profile

"Let's be frank," he says. "Snowden did share intelligence. This is what security services do," adds Klintsevich. "If there's a possibility to get information, they will get it."

.... You need to dig deeper Mr. Wonder.
OK so in this case you DO believe the Russians information.
it's NOT propaganda when they say they DID get info from him.
Even though Snowden says he didn't even BRING any of the info with him too Russia and says he has NOT given them any.

you believe the Russian Government spokespeople....
before you believe an American? i see.

Ok, so what Information SPECIFICALLY did they "milk" from him Red?
..crckets... but you KNOW! he gave them something, becasue the RUSSIANS said so.
Look, the only info we KNOW they have is the same that the whole world's got now.

But you can believe the Russians milked snowden if you like.
But let me ask you this.
Who benefits from the story that the Rus-skis got intel from Snowden?
Does Snowden? or do the Russians? What about the U.S. gov't and it's precious reputation?


If Snowden simply wanted to sell or give the info to the Russian he could have WITHOUT the long elaborate show of giving it to the press.
And he would have been richly rewarded for it.

Maybe you need to look deeper into Snowdens background and story and not simply believe and assume the WORSE possible scenarios just becasue he didn't do it the way you'd like. and U.S. intel agencies got a blackeye becasue they were not obeying the constitution.

NPR
"BEN WIZNER: Of course, it's impossible to prove a negative. But as he has made clear, he didn't even bring sensitive information with him to Russia, precisely because he didn't want to be in a position where he could be coerced. He was approached. He made very clear that he had no intention of cooperating, and he has not."
the professor NPR quotes that smears Snowden is a Brit (not American) who writes for a Russian Newspaper. And the Russian they interviewed is "a senator -in- Russia and deputy chairman of the powerful defense and security committee.". reeeallly? hmmm. Both are admittedly GUESSING. If they are being sincere here. But if i presented EITHER of them to you as sources of factual info about anything you held a different view on somehow i suspect that you'd reject them out of hand as Russian "propagandist". Frankly Red, i'm kind of surprised you pointed to NPR as a source since they have Glen Greenwald on the program fairly regularly as HIGHLY respected guest and new source. So by your standards NPR promotes Russian propaganda and can't be trusted.
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You can't claim that you are trying to expose wrongdoings by the government by committing espionage and aiding the enemy. You can't claim to hold the moral high-ground if what you are doing is morally wrong. You don't make any changes in the government unless you do it properly and if what the government is doing is so bad that you need to expose it, then its not only your duty as either a ServiceMember or Government Employee to report it to the proper channels, but its your duty as an American Citizen, regardless of the outcome. If its really that important, you face the music like a patriot you don't leak it to our enemy like a coward traitor would.
After reading some of your posts on other threads, I didn't think I would ever agree with anything you posted. However, you have proven that not to be the case in this thread. You have perfectly stated exactly how I feel on this situation.
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After reading some of your posts on other threads, I didn't think I would ever agree with anything you posted. However, you have proven that not to be the case in this thread. You have perfectly stated exactly how I feel on this situation.
I bet there are a lot of things we'd agree on. It's just the noise of the controversial subjects that makes us think we're further apart than we are. In my opinion what makes America exceptional is our ability to come togethor compromise and solve our problems togethor. Neither side has all the answers. We are all in the same boat brother. Like George Washington said, Hey guys don't split up into political parties because that **** is dumb as ****"
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the people made the constitution.
the 1st words of the constitution are,
"We the people..."

what Snowden exposed was a whole AGENCY not OBEYING the constitution.


OK so in this case you DO believe the Russians information.
it's NOT propaganda when they say they DID get info from him.
Even though Snowden says he didn't even BRING any of the info with him too Russia and says he has NOT given them any.

you believe the Russian Government spokespeople....
before you believe an American? i see.

Ok, so what Information SPECIFICALLY did they "milk" from him Red?
..crckets... but you KNOW! he gave them something, becasue the RUSSIANS said so.
Look, the only info we KNOW they have is the same that the whole world's got now.

But you can believe the Russians milked snowden if you like.
But let me ask you this.
Who benefits from the story that the Rus-skis got intel from Snowden?
Does Snowden? or do the Russians? What about the U.S. gov't and it's precious reputation?


If Snowden simply wanted to sell or give the info to the Russian he could have WITHOUT the long elaborate show of giving it to the press.
And he would have been richly rewarded for it.

Maybe you need to look deeper into Snowdens background and story and not simply believe and assume the WORSE possible scenarios just becasue he didn't do it the way you'd like. and U.S. intel agencies got a blackeye becasue they were not obeying the constitution.

NPR
"BEN WIZNER: Of course, it's impossible to prove a negative. But as he has made clear, he didn't even bring sensitive information with him to Russia, precisely because he didn't want to be in a position where he could be coerced. He was approached. He made very clear that he had no intention of cooperating, and he has not."
the professor NPR quotes that smears Snowden is a Brit (not American) who writes for a Russian Newspaper. And the Russian they interviewed is "a senator -in- Russia and deputy chairman of the powerful defense and security committee.". reeeallly? hmmm. Both are admittedly GUESSING. If they are being sincere here. But if i presented EITHER of them to you as sources of factual info about anything you held a different view on somehow i suspect that you'd reject them out of hand as Russian "propagandist". Frankly Red, i'm kind of surprised you pointed to NPR as a source since they have Glen Greenwald on the program fairly regularly as HIGHLY respected guest and new source. So by your standards NPR promotes Russian propaganda and can't be trusted.
Snowdon used his administrator's credentials to load classified data en mass on to several laptops. There wasn't the slightest effort to focus on alleged government abuse. It was the action of a vengeful child seeking attention, not someone acting out of conscience.

Snowden's denials that he shared classified data with the Russian boogeyman are supposed to be accepted even as he emulates the example of spying set by Kim Philby and others by fleeing to Russia.

Manning followed the same vengeful child template with the mass release of classified data. Never mind the likelihood his actions cost lives of people working with the US to defeat Al Qaeda, declaring himself transgender absolves its conduct.
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A transgender who leaked classified intel and tweets, "F*ck the police" on Law Enforcement Appreciation Day is runnin' for the Senate as a Democrat....

Well the dude def holds liberal principles.

Chelsea Manning files to run for US Senate seat in Maryland | Fox News
Narcissist thinks he/she is relevant and important.
Good possibility that he/she will claim prejudice against LBGTQXYABC alphabet soup when he/she loses. Good possibility that some of the MSM will promote that falsehood.
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Snowdon used his administrator's credentials to load classified data en mass on to several laptops. There wasn't the slightest effort to focus on alleged government abuse. It was the action of a vengeful child seeking attention, not someone acting out of conscience.
um, If he wanted to share all it all with the world he could have.
wikileaks wants him too, he didn't.
What we KNOW he did do is he gave it ONLY to a news org and told them specifically to ONLY and carefully share the "government abuse" .

If we're MAKING UP motives for why he took everything the way he did.
I can imagine ... becasue i've had access to lot's of servers in a large org. I knew there were various things in various places I probably wouldn't try to SIFF through various file folders, far more chance of being caught over the time it would take.
sitting one day doing major saves would be far easier . and afterwards then siff through it carefully so as NOT to cause harm.

sounds like someone acting out of conscience
IF we're making up motives emotions and characterizations using all the facts available.


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Snowden's denials that he shared classified data with the Russian boogeyman are supposed to be accepted even as he emulates the example of spying set by Kim Philby and others by fleeing to Russia.
I'd never heard of Philby but it seems he ADMITTED that he was a spy.
Snowden denies it. fleeing to Russia, isn't a crime, or proof that Snowden is a traitor. Anymore than TRUMP and his friends and family's trips and meetings with Russians means that Trump is a traitor.
in FACT there's MORE info of Trump and crew having sketchy contacts with the Russian gov't than Snowden.

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Manning followed the same vengeful child template with the mass release of classified data. Never mind the likelihood his actions cost lives of people working with the US to defeat Al Qaeda,...
What manning released literally showed several people wronging killed, as well as documented more corruption. But to my knowledge no one's shown any evidence of anyone who's been harmed becasue of the release of Manning's or Snowden's info.

But here's the thing, If the U.S. gov't had never done any hellish criminal unconstitutional CRAP, then neither Snowden or Manning would have released ANYTHING. and the supposed and so far imaginary "lives" that your concerned about would have been spared.
Plus each of those supposed agents, soldiers or friends of the U.S. lives were put on the line for the U.S. and our constitutional freedoms, ideals and people all along. Just as manning lost his liberty, and Snowden has now lost his nation for it.

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declaring himself transgender absolves its conduct.
being a transgender doesn't absolve crap,
And it doesn't make what he did any "worse" either.
It's a complete NON-Issue in this case.
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Looks like ol' Brad may be openin' up a giant can of worms by runnin' for public office.

Chelsea Manning could face another court-martial for running for Congress — here’s why

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/0...ress-heres-why

This human freak show just needs to go away. He's done enough harm to this country.

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However, Manning’s decision has made her susceptible to future prosecution, military law experts told the Daily Caller News Foundation. That’s because Manning is still considered an active-duty military member — who is non-paid and on excess-leave while she appeals her convictions — and active-duty military are prohibited from participating in partisan political activities, such as running for Congress as a Democrat.

Dru Brenner-Beck, a retired Army judge advocate, told the Daily Caller News Foundation that Defense Department regulations prohibit Manning from participating in political activities, let alone run for Congress, while she still holds an active-duty ID card.

Specifically, participating in political activities while an active-duty solider violates DOD Directive 1344.10. According to the regulations, running for Senate would require Manning to violate many of the regulations, including most of paragraph 4.1.2, in addition to 4.2.2.
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Chelsea Manning’s Campaign Website is Based in Iceland. Why?

For one thing, it’s harder for U.S. law enforcement to search.

Chelsea Manning?s Campaign Website is Based in Iceland. Why? - Defense One


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Chelsea Manning, Democratic U.S. Senate candidate for Maryland, Wikileaks contributor, and felon, registered a campaign web address that connects to a computer in Iceland. One potential explanation: putting data on a server overseas can help you hide it from authorities.

When Manning’s campaign committee registered with the Federal Election Commission on Jan. 16, it listed the official website as xyChelsea.is. A quick domain-name lookup shows that it connects to a computer (IP 82.221.131.165 — in Iceland. There’s nothing illegal in that. But it might matter if Manning tries to evade a warrant for data stored on that computer.
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