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•What Manning did exposing some of the reality of what was going on in Iraq.

•Manning as a U.S. Senator.
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Little Chelsea is the perfect left wing candidate.
Clinton? That would be a big leap to go from White House pet dog to president.

Seriously, I fully expect Chelsea Clinton to enter politics one day.

Chelsea Manning? Doin' it for publicity and Twitter followers. Dude can't possibly think he has a shot at anything but bein' a walkin' freak show in life.
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•What Manning did exposing some of the reality of what was going on in Iraq.

•Manning as a U.S. Senator.


At least we know she's pro-transparency in government.
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She is a traitor. Her and Snowden and Assange should all be sharing a cell next to Trump.
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She is a traitor. Her and Snowden and Assange should all be sharing a cell next to Trump.
our system that hides it's illegal activity and corruption from the American people is what the problem is.

Manning and Snowden are heroes.
The actions they exposed should have never have been done
and should not have been "classified".
Assange the same but he's not a U.S. citizen so he can't be traitor.
a foreign spy working for the American people is what i'd call him.
what he exposed should have put Clinton in jail or at least off the campaign trail.
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our system that hides it's illegal activity and corruption from the American people is what the problem is.

Manning and Snowden are heroes.
The actions they exposed should have never have been done
and should not have been "classified".
Assange the same but he's not a U.S. citizen so he can't be traitor.
a foreign spy working for the American people is what i'd call him.
what he exposed should have put Clinton in jail or at least off the campaign trail.
I got no problem with legit whistleblowers who actually have the personal courage to take responsibility for their actions. There is a process for whistleblowers to take where they can expose any wrongdoing they think is happening without also exposing TS intel and possibly putting American lives in danger. It won't be easy, but if you really cared about any of that **** you are talking about the path is there.

Manning didn't do that, she just dumped a bunch of data, aiding the enemy in the process. She's lucky Obama had mercy on her. I wouldn't have.

Snowden was most likely recruited by Russia and deserves to be hanged next to Julian Assange who also sold his soul for a few rubles. Assange thinks he's going to get to leave the UK just because he finally got Ecuadorian citizenship. MI5 will be waiting for him.
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I got no problem with legit whistleblowers who actually have the personal courage to take responsibility for their actions. There is a process for whistleblowers to take where they can expose any wrongdoing they think is happening without also exposing TS intel and possibly putting American lives in danger. It won't be easy, but if you really cared about any of that **** you are talking about the path is there.

Manning didn't do that, she just dumped a bunch of data, aiding the enemy in the process. She's lucky Obama had mercy on her. I wouldn't have.

Snowden was most likely recruited by Russia and deserves to be hanged next to Julian Assange who also sold his soul for a few rubles. Assange thinks he's going to get to leave the UK just because he finally got Ecuadorian citizenship. MI5 will be waiting for him.

others have tried to take the so called PATH. Some have ended up in Jail anyway. Some ended up legally gagged classified into further silence. Others have have THEIR lives investigated to death and their careers ruined. while those they are reporting on leave the country or got gov't cover.
there is NO path.
part of the reason Snowden went the route he did is becasue he SAW what happened to others that tried the "PATH".

Sad fact is the system is so corrupt that there's often no SAFE and legal path to expose illegal activity in the intel agencies or the military.
you can't go up the chain if the THEY are the ones you are trying to report. and you can't go to the supposed auditors because they are going to REPORT you up your CHAIN.

Sadly It's just not true to claim there's "A way to do it" no there's not.
At least Not an EFFECTIVE way that goes after the crooks and informs the public, that lets you keep your freedom.
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others have tried to take the so called PATH. Some have ended up in Jail anyway. Some ended up legally gagged classified into further silence. Others have have THEIR lives investigated to death and their careers ruined. while those they are reporting on leave the country or got gov't cover.
there is NO path.
part of the reason Snowden went the route he did is becasue he SAW what happened to others that tried the "PATH".

Sad fact is the system is so corrupt that there's often no SAFE and legal path to expose illegal activity in the intel agencies or the military.
you can't go up the chain if the THEY are the ones you are trying to report. and you can't go to the supposed auditors because they are going to REPORT you up your CHAIN.

Sadly It's just not true to claim there's "A way to do it" no there's not.
At least Not an EFFECTIVE way that goes after the crooks and informs the public, that lets you keep your freedom.
You can't claim that you are trying to expose wrongdoings by the government by committing espionage and aiding the enemy. You can't claim to hold the moral high-ground if what you are doing is morally wrong. You don't make any changes in the government unless you do it properly and if what the government is doing is so bad that you need to expose it, then its not only your duty as either a ServiceMember or Government Employee to report it to the proper channels, but its your duty as an American Citizen, regardless of the outcome. If its really that important, you face the music like a patriot you don't leak it to our enemy like a coward traitor would.
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You can't claim that you are trying to expose wrongdoings by the government by committing espionage and aiding the enemy. You can't claim to hold the moral high-ground if what you are doing is morally wrong. You don't make any changes in the government unless you do it properly and if what the government is doing is so bad that you need to expose it, then its not only your duty as either a ServiceMember or Government Employee to report it to the proper channels, but its your duty as an American Citizen, regardless of the outcome. If its really that important, you face the music like a patriot you don't leak it to our enemy like a coward traitor would.
the revolutionary war wasn't a "proper channel" the patriots didn't have a problem doing more than complaining up the British chain of command once it was obvious the chain was corrupt and not going to address the wrongdoing. And the "proper authorities" were in fact covering for and perpetuating or ignoring the corruption.

Like patriots Manning and Snowden exposed unconstitutional and illegal activity directly to the American public, ever Military service member's and Government employee's ultimate bosses.
The chain of command is:
the U.S. citizens
the constitution,
the President,
then the chief of whatever ever branch of service.
etc etc..
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the revolutionary war wasn't a "proper channel" the patriots didn't have a problem doing more than complaining up the British chain of command once it was obvious the chain was corrupt and not going to address the wrongdoing. And the "proper authorities" were in fact covering for and perpetuating or ignoring the corruption.
what?
have you been drinking?


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Like patriots Manning and Snowden exposed unconstitutional and illegal activity directly to the American public, ever Military service member's and Government employee's ultimate bosses.
The chain of command is:
the U.S. citizens
the constitution,
the President,
then the chief of whatever ever branch of service.
etc etc..
You know you are actually wrong here, not just about Manning and Snowden being patriots, but the US Constitution is the ultimate boss. And Neither Manning nor Snowden changed a damn thing. They just gave our enemies our secrets for nothing.

btw, the Kremlin has already admitted that Snowden was an assett.

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/48389...-a-low-profile

"Let's be frank," he says. "Snowden did share intelligence. This is what security services do," adds Klintsevich. "If there's a possibility to get information, they will get it."

Snowden was milked of any real intel he had on him by Russia, and has been used as a propaganda mouthpiece ever since to antagonize and discredit the western intel alliance. There is also the possibility that Snowden was used a cover for a real mole that has been thought to be inside the NSA for years. Yeah, a real 'patriot'.

You need to dig deeper Mr. Wonder.


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