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please define 'massive'.

Please See The "To provide for reconciliation pursuant to titles II and V of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2018"
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While interesting reading, you used the word 'massive'. Please define it.
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While interesting reading, you used the word 'massive'. Please define it.
I did. The: "To provide for reconciliation pursuant to titles II and V of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2018"
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I did. The: "To provide for reconciliation pursuant to titles II and V of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2018"
So a difference between 1.5% (average household) and 3.3% is 'massive'?

Have you tried applying that to how much dollar wise of assistance programs that the 'wealthy' pay for, and do not use?
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Yet its a fact. Literally, the Republicans are allowing the country to go trillions in debt so they can give massive tax breaks for rich people, including tax breaks for billionaires with private jets and for their kids at private schools. And they take away things like CHIP and not allowing teachers to deduct the school supply's they buy for their students anymore. And now, Trump and the republicans want to pay for those massive tax cuts for billionaires by cutting Medicare and even more social programs that help poor people.

You may call it emotional, I call it evil. You may even agree with the tax cuts, and that is fine, but don't try and lie and act like that's not what is happening.
Allowing states to impose work requirements for Medicaid recipients is not taking medical care away from anybody. States have to act as tax collectors for their share of Medicaid so why shouldn't they have some latitude in setting work requirements? Oh yeah, it interferes with the Democrats vote buying scheme.

When President Clinton was essentially forced to sign welfare reform including work requirements the welfare rolls shrank. President Obama redefined work to include getting a massage, writing a personal journal or taking a walk amoung many activities we working folk would love to get paid for but cannot. Predictably Obama's so-called compassion swelled welfare costs to record levels.

It was no problem to Democrats when Obamacare slashed future funding for Medicare by $900 billion and hammered medical reimbursement rates to the point where doctors were refusing new Medicare patients or closing up shop. Of course Congress stepped in with another so-called doctor fix to head off Obamacare's disastrous 22% future cut to physician reimbursement. But pay no attention to these actual attempted cuts to Medicare, just demagogue the imaginary cuts from tax reform.
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It has been said--quite correctly, I think--that he who controls the language, thereby wins the narrative.

With that in mind, it should probably be no surprise that leftists wish to change the neutral term, "supply-side economics," to the far more tendentious, "trickle-down economics." The latter evokes an emotional response--which is precisely what leftists are hoping for. (In short, it bypasses the brain, and goes straight for the viscera.)

Oh, and it should probably be pointed out that Barack Obama added more than nine trillion dollars to the national debt--going from just over $10.6 trillion when he entered office, to considerably over $19.9 trillion when he left office--but I just don't recall leftists clamoring about "fiscal responsibility" at that time. (Presumably, it is because they liked massive spending on his priorities--but do not care for such spending on typical Republican priorities.)

And it is quite disingenuous to claim that President Trump wishes to both "cut Medicare" and add to the deficit. Please pick one, and then we can debate it.
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I think that trickle down economics has been proven not to work, time and time again. I think that giving massive tax breaks to wealthy while taking away poor kids healthcare and cutting Medicare and adding Trillions to the debt isn't compassionate or conservative. I think the Republican party has sold its soul and will pay dearly in the coming years.
It works much better than "Trickle Up"

What is wrong with having more people engaged in the welfare of others? What is your problem with that?

What I mean by that is, the able bodied, able minded people that suck off the government teat, do not give a shlt about the people that really need help, they ONLY care about themselves.

THEY are the ones that actually rip-off the people that REALLY need help.

My cousin is one of those rip-off people, he has a masters degree and has lived on Government and family assistance all of his 60+ years, he is also a Liberal that hates people with more money than him.

Why does the left always want to protect these Rip-off, lazy ass people that live off a system that was NOT designed for healthy people????
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It works much better than "Trickle Up"

What is wrong with having more people engaged in the welfare of others? What is your problem with that?

What I mean by that is, the able bodied, able minded people that suck off the government teat, do not give a shlt about the people that really need help, they ONLY care about themselves.

THEY are the ones that actually rip-off the people that REALLY need help.

My cousin is one of those rip-off people, he has a masters degree and has lived on Government and family assistance all of his 60+ years, he is also a Liberal that hates people with more money than him.

Why does the left always want to protect these Rip-off, lazy ass people that live off a system that was NOT designed for healthy people????
Votes. That is a large part of the base of the Democratic party.
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So, essentially what this does is allow states to help those who are trying to help themselves or can't help themselves while denying help to those who can but won't help themselves. Makes perfect sense, so of course liberals will oppose it.
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Yet its a fact. Literally, the Republicans are allowing the country to go trillions in debt so they can give massive tax breaks for rich people, including tax breaks for billionaires with private jets and for their kids at private schools. And they take away things like CHIP and not allowing teachers to deduct the school supply's they buy for their students anymore. And now, Trump and the republicans want to pay for those massive tax cuts for billionaires by cutting Medicare and even more social programs that help poor people.

You may call it emotional, I call it evil. You may even agree with the tax cuts, and that is fine, but don't try and lie and act like that's not what is happening.
Boy, you got some nerve even mentioning Repubs "allowing the country to go trillions in debt blah blah phony blah

The pathetic Democrats have led us into JUST AS MUCH if not more debt and for what? For more entitlement programs so more loser's don't have to work,
see the latest on California on how THAT'S working out. 20% of Californians are living in poverty.

Leftists are so blind. You parroting Nancy Pelosi's talking points doesn't mean it's true. The Left doesn't care about the country, you don't care that the economy is going gangbusters, the Left would throw this booming economy out with the dish water if they could only bring down the man who is responsible for this surge in the economy. You all make me sick to my stomach.
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