People who continue to claim that nothing has been found out regarding Trump Russian Conspiracy are either being dishonest, or are being willfully ignorant.

I agree they were used to hurt Hillary, but 99 percent of the people who heard of the emails never actually read them themselves and just took whatever dishonest version right wing or Russian propaganda was spreading at the time. I've asked this of other people before, but maybe you can show me the number one, most bad email, that implicates Hillary in the worst or most illegal way.


I really don't understand how you can honestly say that unless you are refusing to look at all the evidence.

(I've taken a lot of this from other places, its just a mismash of things all tossed together to hopefully give you a clear idea of what we know and have proof of)

1) Russia stole Democratic emails. US intelligence agencies have confirmed that emails from the Democratic National Committee and from Clinton campaign chair John Podesta were stolen by Russian hackers. The emails were ultimately released in a smartly sequenced way to maximize damage to Hillary Clinton.

2) At least one Trump adviser knew of the e-mail theft in advance and lied about it. Shortly after the emails were hacked, George Papadopoulos, one of Trump’s foreign policy advisers, was told of their existence by a Russian professor whom he knew to have deep contacts in the Russian government. Papadopoulos subsequently lied to investigators about the timing of the revelation. This is from the indictment (emphasis mine):

We don’t know if Papadopoulos shared this knowledge with others in Trump campaign, or if others were also approached by Russians with this information. But we do knw that Roger Stone did send tweets suggesting he knew the stolen Podesta emails were coming weeks in advance.

3) According to Mueller’s indictment, Paul Manafort, was a longtime paid operative of a Ukrainian political party with deep ties to the Kremlin. Manafort hid both the extent of his payments and the extent of his work on behalf of this party; more than $75 million flowed through offshore accounts related to the work, and at least $18 million was laundered by Manafort.

Among other things, this placed Manafort and Richard Gates in a highly compromised position, as they had both taken huge amounts of illegal money from a foreign government and lied about it to the US government. Manafort ran Trump’s campaign along with Gates.


4) In June 2016, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with a Russian operative who promised them dirt on Clinton. The email Trump Jr. received was crystal clear. It came from Rob Goldstone and alleged that a Russian prosecutor had “offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful.” Trump Jr. wrote back, “if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Trump Jr. then set up a meeting, and on an email thread titled “Russia - Clinton - private and confidential,” he invited Kushner and Manafort. The meeting took place on June 9. It is impossible to read those e-mails and not conclude that the top players in the Trump Campaign were well aware that Russia was helping Trump and that they were willing collaborators.

By the way, “later in the summer” is exactly when the emails were released.

5) In July 2016, Trump said this: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” He said this after Papadopoulos was informed by the Russians that they possessed Clinton-related emails.


6) Russians released emails to help Trump, planted fake news and social media bots to help Trump, and tried to hack election systems in 21 states. But the most interesting thing about the Russian operations on Trump’s behalf is how sophisticated they were about American politics. As the DNC convention began, for instance, Russia released hacked selected DNC emails in an attempt to stoke conflict among Bernie and Hillary supporters. then the Podesta emails were dribbled out in the campaign’s final weeks and were laundered through WikiLeaks. The social media efforts were far-reaching and surprisingly savvy for a foreign government and they helped Trump at the exact moments and times that would benefit him the most. Russia needed American help to do that.


7) After being elected president, Donald Trump fired the director of the FBI to end his investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election. President Trump has certainly acted like someone with much to fear from the various investigations into Russia’s role in the election. After taking office, he lashed out at the CIA, which had concluded that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election on his behalf, "these are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the Trump administration said. (Reminds me of something you would say, actually)


A list like this can get much longer, I haven’t mentioned Jeff Sessions’s habit of lying/forgetting meetings with Russian officials, for instance, or Flynn or the Dossier, or the FUsion GPS Testimony, or all the pro Russian policy positions Trump adopted during the campaign and how he's acted since the inaguration. the list just gos on and on....

And we don't know what all Mueller knows, but we do know that its the largest counterintelligence investigation in history, and its far from over.

Greenwald parrots a lot of the same sort of anti-american propaganda you see on RT.

Its not BS Mr. Wonder, I appreciate your skepticism, I really do, but you're gonna have to pick a side eventually.

Again you have to PROVE something is propaganda 1st for me Red.
Just saying RT said it, THEREFORE it's lying propaganda is in fact BS.
Just assuming it is is lazy and jingistic.

All news sources are propaganda to some degree. the US MSM overall has a pro-corporate and Pro-gov't slant. Some lean more left others hard right.
However nearly all bring at least some modicum of facts to the table.
Frankly from what i've seen of RT it's propaganda in the sense of what it leaves OUT negative about Russia, it's leadership, it's allies and history.

But I've been able to find other confirmation of the facts it's exposed (such a U.S. gov't docs) about nearly everything else i've come across. Or in fact heard it 1st from the original sources on U.S indy media, before they appeared on RT.

I appreciate your patriotism, but I'd rather pick the TRUTH, rather than assume one side or the other is always lying or always on the side of the angels.
I'd like to hope others would too.

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