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We have heard that Harry Reid had a deal to sell that grazing land to the Chinese. When that came out is when the Feds backed down.
That rumor was proven false. However, it appears Reid did have a malevolent hand in this case.

While Snopes says it is false( I don't rely on them) I found a source on which I have more confidence that explains better as to why it is false.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/ap...t-sen-harry-r/

That said, and even if true, none of that changes the facts about Bundy's failed attempts at civil disobedience.

What I am saying is that if BLM, Black Panthers and other violence oriented groups get a pass, then so do the right wing militias who stood with the Bundy's armed confrontation with the police.. However, I don't believe either side should see favoritisms. And both should see honest prosecution. (ie,,;The Bundy's were not honestly prosecuted.)
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His cattle are dead and he spent two years in jail. I wouldn't exactly say the government "LOST".
They shot and killed 6 of the cattle from helicopters during the stand off in April of 2014 but I haven't heard of any more of them that were killed or died.

The two years in jail and the the Feds wouldn't even set bail, that is a mighty good reason for him to sue the Feds.
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it doesn't say anything about you stealing from me or me stealing from you. that bundy character stole from both you and me because our taxes had to cover the BLM handling his cattle (getting them out of wire and ditches, reminding him to feed them...etc.) , which his rent was meant to pay.
plus he used your land and my land sans rent.
We who actually live here all stood behind the Bundy's and none of us gave a fig if his cattle grazed on land the BLM took from Clark County, so really it's none of your business

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That rumor was proven false. However, it appears Reid did have a malevolent hand in this case.

While Snopes says it is false( I don't rely on them) I found a source on which I have more confidence that explains better as to why it is false.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/ap...t-sen-harry-r/

That said, and even if true, none of that changes the facts about Bundy's failed attempts at civil disobedience.

What I am saying is that if BLM, Black Panthers and other violence oriented groups get a pass, then so do the right wing militias who stood with the Bundy's armed confrontation with the police.. However, I don't believe either side should see favoritisms. And both should see honest prosecution. (ie,,;The Bundy's were not honestly prosecuted.)
Franc, the LV Sun is a left wing news site, they were ALWAYS vehemently against the Bundy's they would cover for Harry Reid.
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We who actually live here all stood behind the Bundy's and none of us gave a fig if his cattle grazed on land the BLM took from Clark County, so really it's none of your business



Franc, the LV Sun is a left wing news site, they were ALWAYS vehemently against the Bundy's they would cover for Harry Reid.
Yes but they pretty much had the fact correct.

Like I said Snopes isn't trustworthy. What I wanted was a left wing source because no one on the left will clik on a mainstream or conservative site for fear of getting the facts.

And on the rare occasion they do, I get the same scolding from them about the source. Hell, I'll use Huffington if they have the facts right.

Bottom line here is that the Bundy's were not in the right. Their case went to the SCOTUS and,,,,; they lost. With that they could bitch, moan and complain but the law would never come to their side. Right or wrong.

Still, that doesn't excuse the prosecutors who violated their rights. I'm just trying to stay on the topic. And I am glad Clive and his supporters are free despite the attempts of the state to railroad them into prison. After all, their civil disobedience was no more and no less than the Wall Street squatters ,the Ferguson looters or the Baltimore rioters.

No one prosecuted them.
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Good thing it wasn't the Clinton/Reno administration, they would have brought in the national guard and slaughtered ever person there. Men, Women, and Children. It would have been Waco on steroids.
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Ruby Ridge was horrible also and that was on GHWB watch, I'll NEVER forget that when the Feds shot and killed Randy Weaver's wife as she stood in the doorway, unarmed, with her infant daughter in her arms.

And all because Randy Weaver sold a sawed off shot gun to an undercover agent in a sting operation. The Feds don't hold with people living off the land and under the radar. That is messed up
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The actual specifics are in, that's why the Feds lost.
"the actual specifics" => prosecutor didn't turn over all the required data.
That's it.

Some people are trying to pretend that automatically means the feds didn't have a case.
That's not what that means at all...


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Now it's Bundy's turn to go after them. He was downtown yesterday, here in LV, with a loud speaker going after the Sherriff for siding with the wrong minded feds instead of the citizens he is supposed to protect.

You don't seem to grasp the prosecutor screwed up in what info should have been provided to the defense.
That doesn't mean it wasn't a valid arrest.


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That would depend on how badly they wanted to win.
A prosecutor with a winning case has no need to cheat, a prosecutor with a losing case would be more inclined to cheat.
Applying that theory to this case is pure speculation on your part.

Geezus. People on the right have no freakin' appreciation of how they employ the tactics they hate in others.
Racist cops can target black people for arrests and harassment.
And we can talk blindly about such generic situations and just assume their application to any individual black arrest, completely devoid of any substantiating facts.

It's the same damn tactic.


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We're taking the prosecutor's, who just got bitch slapped by the judge, excuses for misconduct as fact now?
You know you phrase your lies as questions, right?
I am obviously not excusing misconduct. And instead of trying to claim I did, you phrase it as a question ...


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Claiming I copied around "fact" seems a bit of a reach.
That's exactly what happened.
I quoted the reason for the prosecutor's misconduct. You dodged addressing that because it gets in the way of your assumption of convenience.
Note: Not excusing it, but providing the actual motive.

You and others on the right have been incessantly assuming the motive is because they wanted to win so badly they were purposefully cheating.
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"the actual specifics" => prosecutor didn't turn over all the required data.
That's it.

Some people are trying to pretend that automatically means the feds didn't have a case.
That's not what that means at all...




You don't seem to grasp the prosecutor screwed up in what info should have been provided to the defense.
That doesn't mean it wasn't a valid arrest.



Applying that theory to this case is pure speculation on your part.

Geezus. People on the right have no freakin' appreciation of how they employ the tactics they hate in others.
Racist cops can target black people for arrests and harassment.
And we can talk blindly about such generic situations and just assume their application to any individual black arrest, completely devoid of any substantiating facts.

It's the same damn tactic.



You know you phrase your lies as questions, right?
I am obviously not excusing misconduct. And instead of trying to claim I did, you phrase it as a question ...



That's exactly what happened.
I quoted the reason for the prosecutor's misconduct. You dodged addressing that because it gets in the way of your assumption of convenience.
Note: Not excusing it, but providing the actual motive.

You and others on the right have been incessantly assuming the motive is because they wanted to win so badly they were purposefully cheating.
Ok, so you think the Feds did the right thing, that's fine. Question: Why do you think they held him without bail for 2 years? They must have had a damn good reason, what do you suppose it was?
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"the actual specifics" => prosecutor didn't turn over all the required data.
That's it.
Baloney, there was a LOT more to it than that and you know it
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Baloney, there was a LOT more to it than that and you know it
You are quite right Cindy.

If that's all there was to it, the Judge would not have dismissed "with Prejudice"
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