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Obamacare enrollment through federal websites reached 8.8 million this year, the Trump administration said on Thursday, just shy of the number who signed up in 2016 when the enrollment period was twice as long.
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This year’s strong enrollment came despite a GOP-led effort to repeal or gut the program including slashing advertising by 90%. Senior officials at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) barely acknowledged even the shortened open enrollment period, which ran from Nov. 1-Dec.15 in most states.
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And this week, the GOP tax bill passed by Congress repealed Obamacare’s individual mandate, which requires almost all Americans to carry health insurance or pay a tax penalty. President Trump is expected to sign the bill into law on Jan. 3.
http://fortune.com/2017/12/21/obamac...despite-trump/
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Last year, 9.2 million Americans signed up for Obamacare individual health insurance plans through Healthcare.gov, or 400,000 fewer than this year. Both numbers exclude the millions more who enrolled in Obamacare through state-run marketplaces, like those in New York, California, and about a dozen other states.
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In November, when the Obamacare signup window for 2018 opened, the pace of enrollment nearly doubled last year’s. But the urgency appeared to dwindle in the following weeks, necessitating a massive last-minute push non-government forces to get close to the previous year’s enrollment numbers.
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Ultimately, that surge materialized with more than 4.1 million Americans selecting Obamacare plans through Healthcare.gov between Dec. 10 and 15. That accounts for nearly half the number of people who signed up during the entire six-week open enrollment period, according to HHS.
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Nearly 2.4 million enrollees are new customers. Many experts expressed their surprise about the enrollment numbers released on Thursday, like Larry Levitt, senior vice president at the nonpartisan health think tank Kaiser Family Foundation.
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So what’s the deal? How did signups almost clear last year’s numbers despite an uphill enrollment battle and an avalanche of confusing headlines?
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The most likely answer is that a coalition of insurance companies, health care advocates, and companies that rely on independent contractors (and don’t provide their own health insurance benefits) undertook a massive enrollment drive. For instance, many tech companies like ride-sharing giant Uber held Obamacare enrollment events in major U.S. cities.
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It’s also possible that the recent individual mandate repeal spurred some consumers to lock in health coverage for next year before any other big changes take effect.
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Obamacare’s open enrollment period is still ongoing in a number of states that run their own markets. Although the individual mandate was repealed in the tax bill, it’s still in effect for 2018.
boils down to "its all we've got" for those above.
so we still have a chance if dems rule
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It probably has more to do with the penalty that is currently in place if you do not have insurance.
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It probably has more to do with the penalty that is currently in place if you do not have insurance.
If the people that are no longer mandated to have insurance go to the hospital, who pays for it?
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It probably has more to do with the penalty that is currently in place if you do not have insurance.
look at those signing up. the working people who are contractors, subcontractors ; these people don't want to be w/o insurance. they have families
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That means that 314 million people did NOT sign up for Obamacare.
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If the people that are no longer mandated to have insurance go to the hospital, who pays for it?
The same people who have always been paying for it. That didn't change much even with the PPACA. It's a matter of paying for it a point of service, or paying for people's premiums regardless if they seek medicare.

Personally, I prefer to pay at point of service for others. That way I know they actually received what I'm paying for.
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It probably has more to do with the penalty that is currently in place if you do not have insurance.
I believe that will no longer be enforced, or will be momentarily. If they can't afford the premiums, the government, in all their wisdom, feels they can afford a penalty....
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The same people who have always been paying for it. That didn't change much even with the PPACA. It's a matter of paying for it a point of service, or paying for people's premiums regardless if they seek medicare.

Personally, I prefer to pay at point of service for others. That way I know they actually received what I'm paying for.
how are you paying for obama care?
and even if you were how would that not be a break from your costs and premiums going up due to the amount of uninsured (less of a pool) and the treatment at er plus life saving measures if the person is that ill being free to those who lacked funds?

Anyway rest assured you don't pay for people who drive Uber to have insurance. They pay for it.
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The weekly enrollment report from the center for Medicare and Medicaid explains the so called surge in the last week of open enrollment.

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the last week of Open Enrollment for 2018, 4,143,968 people selected plans using the HealthCare.gov platform or were automatically re-enrolled in a plan. .
Automatic re-enrollment has to take place at the end of the open enrollment period. But the fake news portrays it as millions thirsting for Obamacare beating down the doors to sign up.

I could not find what percentage of Obamacare enrollees new and continuing were enrolled in Medicaid as opposed to private insurance. In the absence of hard data there is no reason to assume enrollment would differ from history.

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Utterly false is the claim the number of Americans who have gained health insurance is due to the effectiveness of the ObamaCare exchanges to offer quality health insurance at a reasonable cost. The truth is whatever gains have occurred since the ACA was passed should be attributed to the growing Medicaid population.

According to Haislmaier's congressional testimony, "Medicaid accounted for 81 percent of the incremental growth in enrollment in 2016-a ratio consistent with the experience during the previous two year's of ACA implementation."
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...are-myth%3famp

In reality Obamacare exchanges are little more than portals for Medicaid expansion.
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how are you paying for obama care?
and even if you were how would that not be a break from your costs and premiums going up due to the amount of uninsured (less of a pool) and the treatment at er plus life saving measures if the person is that ill being free to those who lacked funds?

Anyway rest assured you don't pay for people who drive Uber to have insurance. They pay for it.
I'm paying for the PPACA via increases in premiums, additional taxes (2% on medical devices) and a heavier government debt load since a number of people are eligible for 'subsidies' for insurance that they may or may not use.

Insurance is not healthCare.
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