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I'm paying for the PPACA via increases in premiums, additional taxes (2% on medical devices) and a heavier government debt load since a number of people are eligible for 'subsidies' for insurance that they may or may not use.

Insurance is not healthCare.
med dev tax which is paid by makers is not even in effect yet.
The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2016 (Pub. L. 114-113), signed into law on Dec. 18, 2015, includes a two year moratorium on the medical device excise tax imposed by Internal Revenue Code section 4191. Thus, the medical device excise tax does not apply to the sale of a taxable medical device by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the device during the period beginning on Jan. 1, 2016, and ending on Dec. 31, 2017.

You pay through the nose for indigent care w/o obama care, much more than obamacare. some of its cost is offset by med device tax yes. getting rid of mandates is a stupid idea. how do you think private insurance works? from healthy people. hello.
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Insurance is not healthCare.
It is to idiots.
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The ACA said 20 million would be on it by 2017. What happened?
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]how are you paying for obama care?[/B]
and even if you were how would that not be a break from your costs and premiums going up due to the amount of uninsured (less of a pool) and the treatment at er plus life saving measures if the person is that ill being free to those who lacked funds?

Anyway rest assured you don't pay for people who drive Uber to have insurance. They pay for it.
Salty, 80% of those enrolling qualify for subsidy, and the average subsidy is $500/month. Who do you think is paying?
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The weekly enrollment report from the center for Medicare and Medicaid explains the so called surge in the last week of open enrollment.



Automatic re-enrollment has to take place at the end of the open enrollment period. But the fake news portrays it as millions thirsting for Obamacare beating down the doors to sign up.

I could not find what percentage of Obamacare enrollees new and continuing were enrolled in Medicaid as opposed to private insurance. In the absence of hard data there is no reason to assume enrollment would differ from history.



https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...are-myth%3famp

In reality Obamacare exchanges are little more than portals for Medicaid expansion.
Way down buried on page 17, I found the numbers:

4 million new. 5.6 returning. 1.7 auto enrolled.

Not included in that number is the number reassigned. 4 major companies and several smaller are leaving the market. Humana being the largest. These customers are being reassigned, generally at a higher premium. I couldn't find the total, but Optima alone was gifted 50,000 in the last week. These are apparently being counted as new enrollees.

So the number of new enrollees falls south of 4 million. I don't know how many were in the failed companies, but the final count is almost certainly way less.
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