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AZRWinger 12-17-2017 09:21 AM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
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Originally Posted by ShivaTD (Post 922519)
The story doesn't provide any evidence of any money actually being paid to the women. It only provides information on what the money was being collected to fund. The story does explicitly state that the money was not used to influence the women to falsely accuse Donald Trump.

It's not even logical for a lawyer, like Lisa Bloom, to want women to falsely accuse Donald Trump of criminal sexual assault because that would ultimately lead to the accuser committing perjury when interviewed by law enforcement.

No lawyer, not even a crooked lawyer, would ever advocate perjury by a client. Any woman accusing Donald Trump, or anyone else of sexual misconduct, is subject to being interviewed by law enforcement and to make a false claim (commit perjury) to law enforcement is a felony. Any lawyer that advocates that perjury is subject to severe disciplinary action that can result in them being disbarred.

All of the women that have accused Donald Trump of criminal sexual assault are willing to testify to the sexual assault under oath without any fear of committing perjury because their stories are true.

The Trump accusers have been threatened with both legal action and physical violence. In the following case we have a sworn affidavit submitted to the court addressing a specific threat.


Woman accusing Trump of child rape remains silent after threats - NY Daily News

Mindy McGilivray, one of the women that came forward as victim after the Access Hollywood tape was publically released, literally fled the United States out of fear for the safety of her family after receiving anonymous threats.

Yes, Lisa Bloom, the attorney that's representing four of Trump's accusers on a pro bono basis (without fees for the public good), does include in her representation agreement with her clients that she will receive part of the money the women might make if they sell their stories. That's only fair. If the client profits then the attorney that's working for nothing on the case should receive part of that compensation.

Let's remember one very important point. All of the women that have come forward are actually providing testimony to confirm what Donald Trump stated in the Access Hollywood tape (or in the interview with Howard Stern related to the Teen Miss USA pageant where Trump would walk in unannounced to see naked young girls).

Trump's accusers are not contradicting what Trump stated but instead they're confirming what Trump had stated.

The OP is about Lisa Bloom soliciting money for the Trump accusers. Money she would receive a healthy commission from. A so-called lawyer acting as an entertainment performer agent. :rolls Besides fattening her purse Bloom wants to increase her profile as a paymaster for anti Republican accusers. :thumbsup

The juicier the story the more money for the accuser and their so-called lawyer. There is no legal jeopardy in lying to the media nor for telling a different story under oath than to the media so follow the money, Lisa Bloom did. :rolls

In addition to increasing the revenue producing potential of the stories the accusers lengthen their time in the spotlight by portraying themselves as victims beset by death threats. Unproven accusations coupled with anonymous death threats is like cat nip to a media obsessed with destroying Trump. :o

saltwn 12-17-2017 09:47 PM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 922391)

Turns out its not true.

starts at beginning of video. first few minutes discredit this


ShivaTD 12-23-2017 12:38 PM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 922531)
The OP is about Lisa Bloom soliciting money for the Trump accusers. Money she would receive a healthy commission from. A so-called lawyer acting as an entertainment performer agent. :rolls Besides fattening her purse Bloom wants to increase her profile as a paymaster for anti Republican accusers. :thumbsup

The juicier the story the more money for the accuser and their so-called lawyer. There is no legal jeopardy in lying to the media nor for telling a different story under oath than to the media so follow the money, Lisa Bloom did. :rolls

In addition to increasing the revenue producing potential of the stories the accusers lengthen their time in the spotlight by portraying themselves as victims beset by death threats. Unproven accusations coupled with anonymous death threats is like cat nip to a media obsessed with destroying Trump. :o

Lisa Bloom would receive nothing from the donations for the women that are earmarked for costs related to protecting the safety of the women. No donations are going into Lisa Blooms pocket.

Lisa Bloom, according to the story, would only receive compensation if any of the women sell their story to a publication. This relates to the women earning money based upon the story they have to sell (not from donations) and in those cases Lisa Bloom would receive a percentage because she's been representing the women on a pro bono basis.

We've seen threats across the spectrum coming from not just Trump supporters but more recently from Roy Moore supporters. These threats are very real and Roy Moore's accusers have been unable to go to work because of the threats they've received.

It's not just naÔve for Trump and Moore supporters to live in denial of the threats made against the accusers, it's simply dishonest. We have Trump supporters that are actually willing to kill people as was demonstrated in Charlottesville just a couple of month ago. Trump supporters have been attacking Muslims just because they hate Muslims.

Alt-Right extremists, all of which are basically Trump supporters, represent the primary threat of terrorism in the United States today according to law enforcement groups and to think that these "Alt-Right" Trump supporters aren't threatening Trump's accusers is simply being dishonest.

AZRWinger 12-23-2017 01:03 PM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
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Originally Posted by ShivaTD (Post 923310)
Lisa Bloom would receive nothing from the donations for the women that are earmarked for costs related to protecting the safety of the women. No donations are going into Lisa Blooms pocket.

Lisa Bloom, according to the story, would only receive compensation if any of the women sell their story to a publication. This relates to the women earning money based upon the story they have to sell (not from donations) and in those cases Lisa Bloom would receive a percentage because she's been representing the women on a pro bono basis.

We've seen threats across the spectrum coming from not just Trump supporters but more recently from Roy Moore supporters. These threats are very real and Roy Moore's accusers have been unable to go to work because of the threats they've received.

It's not just naÔve for Trump and Moore supporters to live in denial of the threats made against the accusers, it's simply dishonest. We have Trump supporters that are actually willing to kill people as was demonstrated in Charlottesville just a couple of month ago. Trump supporters have been attacking Muslims just because they hate Muslims.

Alt-Right extremists, all of which are basically Trump supporters, represent the primary threat of terrorism in the United States today according to law enforcement groups and to think that these "Alt-Right" Trump supporters aren't threatening Trump's accusers is simply being dishonest.

As usual, the comment attempts to replace facts with partisan resistance rhetoric.

From the Hill article that broke the story.

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A well-known womenís rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 presidential race, according to documents and interviews.

California lawyer Lisa Bloomís efforts included offering to sell alleged victimsí stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuserís mortgage and attempting to secure a six-figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000, the clients told The Hill.

The womenís accounts were chronicled in contemporaneous contractual documents, emails and text messages reviewed by The Hill, including an exchange of texts between one woman and Bloom that suggested political action committees supporting Hillary Clinton were contacted during the effort.
Emphasis added.

Exclusive: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers | TheHill

There is no earmarking of any kind for the monies obtained for the accusers after Bloom peddled there stories. Neither is their any evidence of Trump supporters threatening the accusers.

As far as the linkage to Charlottesville, that is just nonsense. :rolls

saltwn 12-23-2017 02:15 PM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 923312)
As usual, the comment attempts to replace facts with partisan resistance rhetoric.

From the Hill article that broke the story.



Emphasis added.

Exclusive: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers | TheHill

There is no earmarking of any kind for the monies obtained for the accusers after Bloom peddled there stories. Neither is their any evidence of Trump supporters threatening the accusers.

As far as the linkage to Charlottesville, that is just nonsense. :rolls

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...orward-1068352
"This all happened 13 months ago," Bloom tells THR. "It's an effort to undermine the Trump accusers now that they are gaining momentum."...

Bloom said her goal in securing money was not to pressure the women to come forward, but rather to help them relocate or arrange security if they felt unsafe during the waning days of a vitriolic election."...

That woman who chose not to come forward decided to tell her story to The Hill after learning that Bloom was representing embattled producer Harvey Weinstein (an attorney-client relationship that ended very publicly after rape allegations surfaced). The woman says she supported Trump in 2016 and doesn't resent him because he stopped his advances toward her when she asked him to, according to The Hill. She also says that she's friends with many people close to the president, but no one associated with the White House or Trump forced her to come forward...
...The website separately published lengthy excerpts from Bloom's statements, along with those of her client, Jill Harth, who says she was sexually assaulted by Trump in the '90s.

Bloom turned to Twitter to criticize the story and the reporter, John Solomon, whom she described as being known for " 'weaponizing' stories about progressives like me to feed to Fox News." (Solomon didn't reply to a request for comment.)

"Even this spurious article, written with the intention of casting doubt on the accusers, includes this important fact: that the victims who came forward were telling the truth," writes Bloom.

As other outlets like Fox News, "Page Six" and The Daily Caller have picked up the story, the claim that seems to be getting the most attention is the one that involves donors allegedly offering six-figure payments to women willing to tell their stories. Both of the women who were quoted, though, stress that they were never asked to make statements they didn't believe were true.

Bloom says donors approached her firm after a Jane Doe Trump accuser canceled a November 2016 press conference at the last minute because she'd been receiving death threats.

"Multiple donors then contacted me out of the blue with offers to ensure the safety of women who might still come forward," Bloom writes in her statement. "As an attorney I was obligated to relay those offers of funds for relocation to a safer community and round the clock security, and I was happy to do it."

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saltwn 12-23-2017 02:17 PM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...orward-1068352 (continued from above)


The Hill also mentioned that the attorney told the unnamed woman she could get upward of $15,000, less Bloom's one-third fee, for giving her first interview to a show like Dr. Phil or Inside Edition. Bloom, in her Twitter statement, explained that when she takes on cases for free, or at a reduced fee, she includes in the contract that the firm will take one-third of any payment the client receives as a media fee. Most people won't be paid for interviews, she says, but some shows will pay to license photos or offer an appearance fee.

Following the explosion of sexual harassment and assault allegations within Hollywood and Congress, several of Trump's accusers have renewed their efforts to have their claims investigated. Bloom tells The Hollywood Reporter the timing of The Hill's report is no coincidence.

"This all happened 13 months ago," she says. "Itís an effort to undermine the Trump accusers now that they are gaining momentum."

ShivaTD 01-01-2018 08:10 AM

Re: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers
 
2017 has been a good year for addressing sexual harassment and assault. Americans are finally starting to listen to the accusers stories to determine if the story is creditable or if it's false. Just because the accused denies an allegation it does not make the allegation false. We've also started to understand that the criteria for determining if sexual harassment or assault occurred is not based upon the criteria for a criminal conviction. When it comes to those in the public spotlight all that's required is the creditability of the accuser. If the accuser's story is creditable then it's enough to assume that they're telling the truth and that the harassment or assault occurred.

We're also beginning to understand that a "he said-she said" situation does not exist if multiple women come forward to accuse a someone like Donald Trump or Roy Moore. As the number of women increase the probability of the sexual harassment or assault increases exponentially.

Additionally there's a significant difference between a woman coming forward to make an initial statement of sexual harassment or assault and if a woman comes forward to confirm a statement made by the accused.

In the case of Donald Trump the women that have come forward are merely providing evidence that when Trump claimed that he has committed sexual assault that he was telling the truth because they were the victims of Trump's sexual assaults.

Trump made the claim he committed sexual assault and got away with it because he was a celebrity.

The women are witnesses that Trump's claim was true because Trump did sexually assault them and,, up until the time they came forward, Trump did get away with it because he was a celebrity.

That Trump would later try to dismiss his statements as being "locker room" talk was clearly a lie once the victims of his sexual assault came forward to confirm that his prior statement was the truth. And it wasn't just one woman. It's been over a dozen women that have confirmed that Donald Trump did assault them and got away with it for years because of his wealth and celebrity status.

If you go into court and you have a dozen witnesses to confirm a statement you made you have a substantial case for what you said is true. Basically that's what Donald Trump has to support the Hollywood Access statements because he has over a dozen witnesses willing to state under oath that his statement on that tape is true. Trump doesn't have any witnesses that can testify that his statement on the Hollywood Access tape is false.

The same is true of the statements he made with Howard Stern. He claimed he would walk into the dressing room unannounced to see young Miss Teen USA contestants in the nude under the false pretext of performing an inspection. Numerous former Miss Teen USA have confirmed that was true. These young girls had no one to file a compliant with because Donald Trump owned the contest. Basically, because of their age, Donald Trump was a pedophile like Roy Moore and the victims of his actions have verified that what he told Howard Stern was 100% accurate.

It's strange because it seems that the one time Trump seemed to tell the truth was when he was bragging about being a sexual predator. Being a sexual predator was something he took great pride in obviously believing it made him "more manly" in the opinion of others. A very narcissistic trait.


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