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Old 12-13-2017, 12:07 PM
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This statement quoted is a lie.

James Comey testified before the Senate that none of the emails on Hillary Clinton's private server had the proper header identification of classified contents on them. .
False...

Comey's actual testimony...

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With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been “up-classified.”
Also, Clinton was found to have discussed classified matters on her unsecured system...

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...For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
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False...

Comey's actual testimony...
This is kinda complicated. The emails on her server were not marked in the traditional security level clearance methods normally used. This could be because of formatting or something, but I seriously doubt that was intentional, but it is extremely careless to have secure info in an unsecure place due to your own actions. Some of the stuff they were talking about was even classified after it hit Hillarys server. Possibly more forgivable but still very careless. If Hillary was a young person in the service with a security clearance that left a secure document, marked or unmarked, laying out on a table in a stack of other papers, that service member would probably lose a stripe, their security clearance and the MOS and a few weeks beer money. I think Hillary was, directly and indirectly held to that standard. She doesn't have a job and hopefully no longer has access to security material, and I pray she is out of politics to stay. I just don't think the conservatives are competent enough to take it any further, and there is probably no longer any evidence anyway. So the conservatives will continue to make fools of themselves. What's new?
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...20171212222059



Much more at link The boom is starting to be lowered.
could you be a bit more specific?
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Clinton is never going to jail, not because she is innocent but because she is too well connected and had too much information on others in our Government. If she is threatened with jail, she will sing like a canary and many others in our government will be shaking in their boots.

It is truly sad that our government is so corrupt that someone so obviously corrupt stands no chance of paying for her sins.
Clinton is our J Edgar!?!

...or she is crime free, more like it.
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Clinton is our J Edgar!?!

...or she is crime free, more like it.
Not likely.
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Classified information "does not need a header" to be classified. It is the content that matters and removing the header before hitting "send" is easy,,,,; and illegal.

Sticking your head in the sand like that makes your @ss look big.

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That is true but prosecution based upon classified contents does require that the document self-identifies itself as containing classified information.

The FBI's determination that Hillary Clinton could not be prosecuted was based upon the fact that none of the emails were "branded" with the information that would identify any of the contents as being classified. This has been discussed between myself and others that have held secret government security clearances and the lack of the header information identifying classified information indicates that there's no classified information in the document.

There's never been any question about the few emails actually containing classified information. The problem was that there wasn't grounds for a successful prosecution because the classified information wasn't expressly identified as existing in those emails. There's a lot more to filing a criminal complaint than just the violation of the law. The evidence must support the prosecution and the evidence must reasonably establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

That never implied Hillary Clinton was literally innocent but instead that the FBI didn't have the evidence to support a conviction.

We also have to understand that this problem existed throughout the State Department and had existed all the way back to Bill Clinton's Presidency. Sect of State Colin Powell also had emails on a private server that contained (unidentified) classified information as well as several of Sect of State Rice's senior administrators at the State Department. The problem was systemic because the State Department security organization, that's actually responsible for identify classified information in documents including emails, did not have a robust procedure for the review of email contents prior to distribution.

There was no grounds for prosecution. That's what Comey stated and that was an accurate determination by the FBI. That determination was made by the top administration at the FBI, not just James Comey, and that determination was not made or influenced by anyone State Department or even at the Department of Justice. Comey also stated Hillary Clinton was careless in her handling of classified material but that same carelessness existed throughout the State Department and had existed for years.
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This is kinda complicated. The emails on her server were not marked in the traditional security level clearance methods normally used. This could be because of formatting or something, but I seriously doubt that was intentional, but it is extremely careless to have secure info in an unsecure place due to your own actions. Some of the stuff they were talking about was even classified after it hit Hillarys server. Possibly more forgivable but still very careless. If Hillary was a young person in the service with a security clearance that left a secure document, marked or unmarked, laying out on a table in a stack of other papers, that service member would probably lose a stripe, their security clearance and the MOS and a few weeks beer money. I think Hillary was, directly and indirectly held to that standard. She doesn't have a job and hopefully no longer has access to security material, and I pray she is out of politics to stay. I just don't think the conservatives are competent enough to take it any further, and there is probably no longer any evidence anyway. So the conservatives will continue to make fools of themselves. What's new?
You were doing so well presenting an explanation before lapping into the characteristic bashing of Conservatives.

Hillary didn't leave a classified document exposed in the office, she conducted a six year long conspiracy involving at least a half dozen coconspirators violating laws for handling classified documents and national archive laws with impunity. She conducted 100% of her email business as Secretary of State using an illegal server and unsecured devices. Criminality on that scale ought to be punished by felony convictions and jail time not loss of a stripe and beer money.

Hillary lost her security clearance because she lost the election. It had nothing to do with her conducting a criminal conspiracy.

It is not Conservative incompetence that is to blame for the AG compromising herself with a secret tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton after the DOJ passed out grants of immunity to Hillary's coconspirators. It is not Conservative incompetence that wrote and carefully watered down the so called exoneration letter months before the investigation concluded. It wasn't Conservative incompetence that limited FBI investigators to a single interview with Hillary accompanied by a retinue of 8 staffers including Sheryl Mills who oversaw the destruction of Hillary's email archive. Quite simply, the fix was in to let Hillary get away with it.
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If we really just lived through the last 8 years of the most corrupt administration ever and Hillary has been willy nilly breaking laws since 1990 and the Repubs have succeeded exactly zero times holding either accountable it can only be one of two reasons, the Conservatives are amazingly incompetent or they are just making up stuff. I think both.
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You were doing so well presenting an explanation before lapping into the characteristic bashing of Conservatives.

Hillary didn't leave a classified document exposed in the office, she conducted a six year long conspiracy involving at least a half dozen coconspirators violating laws for handling classified documents and national archive laws with impunity. She conducted 100% of her email business as Secretary of State using an illegal server and unsecured devices. Criminality on that scale ought to be punished by felony convictions and jail time not loss of a stripe and beer money.

Hillary lost her security clearance because she lost the election. It had nothing to do with her conducting a criminal conspiracy.

It is not Conservative incompetence that is to blame for the AG compromising herself with a secret tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton after the DOJ passed out grants of immunity to Hillary's coconspirators. It is not Conservative incompetence that wrote and carefully watered down the so called exoneration letter months before the investigation concluded. It wasn't Conservative incompetence that limited FBI investigators to a single interview with Hillary accompanied by a retinue of 8 staffers including Sheryl Mills who oversaw the destruction of Hillary's email archive. Quite simply, the fix was in to let Hillary get away with it.
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If we really just lived through the last 8 years of the most corrupt administration ever and Hillary has been willy nilly breaking laws since 1990 and the Repubs have succeeded exactly zero times holding either accountable it can only be one of two reasons, the Conservatives are amazingly incompetent or they are just making up stuff. I think both.
Or what I posted in post #5 of this thread is more true that you want to admit.
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