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The federal government owns a large percentage of land in the western states, including over 80% of Nevada. This website has a graphic that clearly shows how much western land has been federalized: Just How Much Land Does the Federal Government Own ?*and Why? | Big Think

In 2016 Obama designated 1.35 million acres in Utah and 300,00 acres in Nevada as national monuments, an action that elected representatives in those states protested was a federal land grab, a fact that cannot be disputed. This removed this vast amount of land from public use.

President Trump has decided to reduce the size of the Bears Ears and the Grand-Staircase Escalante national monuments in Utah, causing many on the left to metaphorically gnash their teeth and rend garments. They protest that Trump doesn't have the authority to do so, yet they were OK with allowing Obama the authority to essentially steal state land by federalizing it.

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Trump also pointed out that this is an important occurrence for states’ rights, saying “Some people think that the natural resources of Utah should be controlled by a small handful of very distant bureaucrats located in Washington. And guess what? They’re wrong.” He went on to say that thanks to rolling back the seizure of land in Utah, the land will be returned to the public, for the public’s use.

By declaring those lands to be federal monument land, Obama managed to not only stop development and building on the land. It also served as an insult to hunters, who cannot hunt on federal monument land, meaning that millions of acres of Utah were, with just the stroke of a pen, removed from hunting use during the Obama years.

Of course, not everyone was happy about the rolling-back of the powers of the federal government to seize land as it pleases. The National Resources Defense Council, an advocacy group that tends to cling to environmentalist causes and is extremely left-leaning in its politics, has already threatened legal action. They claim that the law that allows the president to seize land, the Antiques Act of 1906, does not allow the president to return the land.

Luckily, the Interior Secretary, Ryan Zinke, told the crowd in Salt Lake City, Utah, that the Antiques Act was not meant “to prevent. It was meant to protect,” continuing on to say that public land ought to be for public use.

A commissioner from San Juan County, Rebecca Benally, who claims to be a Navajo Native, was outraged by the move to establish the Bears Ears National Monument. She claims that her people have been denied access to “an area larger than Rhode Island and Delaware” where they once harvested medicines and woods, claiming that the removal of federal monument status from the land is a battle between Natives who want to use the land that their ancestors once roamed and bureaucrats who sought to control the land from DC.

Sadly, Benally, a Democrat, is not speaking for most Native American tribes, who appear to demand that their land be protected by federal law, even if that means they are limited in how they can utilize the land.
I agree with what Trump is doing, because the land should be open for people to use, and not taken by the federal government. Trump didn't remove all of the land from national monument status, and people who think the land should just sit there unused should be satisfied with that.

You can read more at the link in the second paragraph above.
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The federal government owns a large percentage of land in the western states, including over 80% of Nevada. This website has a graphic that clearly shows how much western land has been federalized: Just How Much Land Does the Federal Government Own ?*and Why? | Big Think

In 2016 Obama designated 1.35 million acres in Utah and 300,00 acres in Nevada as national monuments, an action that elected representatives in those states protested was a federal land grab, a fact that cannot be disputed. This removed this vast amount of land from public use.

President Trump has decided to reduce the size of the Bears Ears and the Grand-Staircase Escalante national monuments in Utah, causing many on the left to metaphorically gnash their teeth and rend garments. They protest that Trump doesn't have the authority to do so, yet they were OK with allowing Obama the authority to essentially steal state land by federalizing it.



I agree with what Trump is doing, because the land should be open for people to use, and not taken by the federal government. Trump didn't remove all of the land from national monument status, and people who think the land should just sit there unused should be satisfied with that.

You can read more at the link in the second paragraph above.
if you ever walked those immense monument parks in utah you would see they should not be strip mined but saved for all of us to enjoy. some of the key stops for japanese tourists is utah monuments and parks.
this is restricting our use and giving it to private mining plain and simple.
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this is restricting our use and giving it to private mining plain and simple.
Federalizing it restricted it from our use. Didn't you read that?
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Federalizing it restricted it from our use. Didn't you read that?
yes and it was crazy backward

we cannot any of us enjoy what is gated or is no longer there.
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yes and it was crazy backward

we cannot any of us enjoy what is gated or is no longer there.
That is false. It is now open once again for public use. I guess you didn't read that.
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That is false. It is now open once again for public use. I guess you didn't read that.
they fibbed. "harvested medicines and woods" means they couldn't destroy it not that they can't enjoy it. do you have to cut your fire wood every time you visit a scenic area? I don't. And if you can get a cord of wood out of bears ears monument you'd have to have a rock sp high powered magnifying glass.
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All that federal land and the federal government never allowed poor/homeless people to homestead or settle on it. Why is that?
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All that federal land and the federal government never allowed poor/homeless people to homestead or settle on it. Why is that?
and they never will. this law is only for mining companies and fracking. I live near and many friends have relatives and business in utah. salt lake is a hub for my area. fracking will take place almost immediately. expeditions to find other minerals. then gates go up and the land is wasted.
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All that federal land and the federal government never allowed poor/homeless people to homestead or settle on it. Why is that?
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and they never will. this law is only for mining companies and fracking. I live near and many friends have relatives and business in utah. salt lake is a hub for my area. fracking will take place almost immediately. expeditions to find other minerals. then gates go up and the land is wasted.
And previous law didn't allow it.
Same question,
Why is that?
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And previous law didn't allow it.
Same question,
Why is that?
Number one I doubt most homeless people could survive without water for miles. Mostly rocks no vegetation to speak of. Beautiful, even breathtakingly gorgeous but barren. It's a hike or a day trip. Camping. photography. I've been to the arches area and no pictures do it justice. Great landscape. There's a type of fish that only hatches in a puddle after the rain fills the recession in the ground. Might take years. Then they lay more eggs, and the hole dries up. All kinds of nature but not a habitat for man.
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