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NEW YORK (CNN) -- A Latino group Tuesday expressed outrage over the slaying of an Ecuadoran man, allegedly at the hands of seven teenagers in what police are calling a hate crime.

Marcello Lucero, 37, was stabbed to death in an attack that police say was a hate crime.

The teens' parents bear some of the blame, along with community leaders who have created an inhospitable environment for immigrants, Fernando Fernando Mateo, founder of Hispanics Across America, said at a news conference.

"We understand that some may not welcome us in their neighborhoods, but killing us will not drive us away," Mateo said. "Those that hate us allow us to cut their lawns, build their homes, paint their homes, cook for them, serve their children -- and yet they teach them hate."

Marcello Lucero, 37, was walking to a friend's apartment in Patchogue, New York, when he was attacked late Saturday, police said. He was stabbed in the chest and died of his injuries. A friend walking with Lucero was not injured.

The seven teens were trying "to find Latinos and to assault them," said Suffolk County Police Detective Lt. Jack Fitzpatrick. "That was what they went out to do that night, and that's exactly what they did do. ... They were actively seeking victims."

At a court hearing for the seven Monday, a prosecutor quoted the youths as saying, "Let's go find some Mexicans to f--- up."

Jeffrey Conroy, 17, faces charges of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime in the attack, police said. He and the other six -- Jordan Dasch, Anthony Hartford, Nicholas Hausch, Christopher Overton, Jose Pacheco and Kevin Shea -- also face charges of first-degree gang assault.

The additional charge against Conroy stems from authorities' belief that he was the one who stabbed Lucero. All of the suspects are 17 except for Overton, who is 16, according to police.

The "hate crime" designation would enhance any sentence imposed upon conviction.

Upon their arrest, all seven of the youths "admitted their involvement and their role in this crime," said Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer.

However, all seven pleaded not guilty when they were arraigned Monday in Suffolk County Criminal Court.

Mateo said that Hispanics Across America and Lucero's relatives have retained a law firm and may file suit against the youths' families "to make sure the parents of these seven kids pay the consequences."

But he and other community leaders also laid blame at the feet of Steve Levy, Suffolk County executive.

"He has brought this hate that exists here amongst the Hispanic community," Mateo said. "He has legislated over and over again against Hispanic immigrants. ... He should be the person not welcome in this community."

The Rev. Alan Ramirez of Brookville Reform Church said, "We all know that Mr. Levy, along with these seven young men, has blood on his hands. And we consider that unacceptable. We ask a responsible Democratic Party to seek Mr. Levy's resignation or removal from office. We do not need our communities to be separated by hatred, intolerance and racial discord."


Attempts by CNN to contact Levy on Tuesday were unsuccessful, as his office was closed for the Veterans Day holiday. On Sunday, however, Levy issued a statement saying Lucero's death "wasn't a question of any county policy or legislation; it was a question of bad people doing horrific things," according to Newsday, which reported that Levy answered no further questions.

In a statement issued by police Sunday, Levy was quoted as saying, "This heinous crime that led to the death of an individual because of his race will not be tolerated in Suffolk County. The suspects will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

New York Gov. David Paterson, in a statement Monday, also condemned Lucero's death.

"Suffolk Police tell us that Mr. Lucero and a friend were attacked late Saturday by seven teenagers who were driving around looking for a Hispanic to beat up," Paterson said. "The senseless and cowardly act by these teenagers cannot stand. ... Mr. Lucero's death is a jarring reminder that we must remain vigilant and continue our fight to eradicate prejudice in our words and in our actions."

Mateo said Tuesday that Lucero's death "is an outrage. ... Those days of noosing, hanging and torturing should be a thing of the past."

Conroy's friends and fellow students told CNN affiliate WABC they do not believe he committed the crime. "He's the nicest guy you will ever meet," one said.

Attempts to contact Conroy's defense attorney were unsuccessful Tuesday.

A candlelight vigil was held Monday night in honor of Lucero.

"I still don't believe my brother's death," Joselo Lucero said. "Today I buried him and I still don't believe that he's dead. ... He's left a real emptiness in my family."

Commentary: No time for hate - CNN.com

My husband is Ecuadorean... this could just as easily been him, . Yet another example of how the negative rhetoric does have consequences, and how we really need federal legislation.
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Send a white person on an evening walk into one of LA's heavily Hispanic neighborhoods and see if they end up the victim of a hate crime. There's no doubt that this was in fact a hate crime, but if the positions had been reversed, it probably would have been treated as a gang violence issue, not a hate crime.
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Send a white person on an evening walk into one of LA's heavily Hispanic neighborhoods and see if they end up the victim of a hate crime. There's no doubt that this was in fact a hate crime, but if the positions had been reversed, it probably would have been treated as a gang violence issue, not a hate crime.
Well, since Hispanics compose only 15% of the population, how exactly do you suggest we avoid the issue... avoid white majority towns? Stick to the 'hoods'? It's common sense to stay out of 'rough' neighborhoods after hours, whether you're white, brown or yellow. Nothing to do with this issue though, .
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Have more immigrants beens killed by US citizens or vice versa?...

The original story reeks of a 1943 article where a Jew kills a Nazi...horrible story but intentionally trying to redifine the debate...
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The original story reeks of a 1943 article where a Jew kills a Nazi...horrible story but intentionally trying to redifine the debate...
Not the issue... again. This man was not killed only because he was an immigrant. He was not killed only because he was undocumented (if indeed that was the case, they are careful to not say). He was killed because he was 'percieved' to be those things. He was not Mexican, he was Ecuadorean. My husband was also Ecuadorean, he is now American. If it had been him in that street would that make it different? Not a hate crime? American on American? If an 'illegal' killed me, would that be considered brown on brown crime? WTF? Very frustrating,

I HATE, HATE, HATE the fact that I have to watch my back because of the color of my skin in the 'land of the free'. I don't give a rat's ass if it's one every two months (even though the FBI's statistics reports show a 68% increase in hate crimes towards Hispanics - we discussed on another thread), that ONE death is a needless death. Government should fix the problem, .

Those of you who voted Obama and had to tolerate all the hateful rhetoric. Do you remember how you just wanted the election over with, no matter who won, just so it would stop? Welcome to my world, .
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Those of you who voted Obama and had to tolerate all the hateful rhetoric. Do you remember how you just wanted the election over with, no matter who won, just so it would stop? Welcome to my world, .
I hear ya,I didn't support Obama until late in the game but I know how you must feel..
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Have more immigrants beens killed by US citizens or vice versa?...

The original story reeks of a 1943 article where a Jew kills a Nazi...horrible story but intentionally trying to redifine the debate...
No. It is more like a 1943 article where a Jew killed a blue-eyed blond civilian on the presupposition that all blue-eyed blonds must be Nazis.

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Hundreds protest New York immigrant's fatal beating

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A few hundred people on Sunday marched in Brooklyn to protest last week's fatal beating of a 31-year-old Ecuadorean man -- an incident authorities say may have been a hate crime.


New York Police Department investigators released this sketch of a possible suspect in the attack. The demonstrators -- holding signs reading "No more hate crimes" -- walked a half-mile in the neighborhood where police say Jose Sucuzhanay was hit in the head with a bottle and beaten with an aluminum baseball bat on December 7.

Sucuzhanay died of his injuries Friday at Elmhurst Hospital, hours before his mother arrived in New York from Ecuador, his family said.

Police said Sucuzhanay's attackers yelled racial slurs; no arrests have been made in the case. One of his brothers, Diego Sucuzhanay, said Sunday he is convinced the attack was a hate crime.

"Nothing was taken from him," said Diego Sucuzhanay, who didn't join the demonstration, opting instead to help his mother make arrangements to return the body to Ecuador.

Police said Jose Sucuzhanay and his brother Romel had left a party at a church when several men approached them in a car in Brooklyn's Bushwick section, about a block from the brothers' home. The men shouted anti-gay and anti-Latino vulgarities and attacked the brothers, police said.

Romel, 34, escaped with minor scrapes and has talked with detectives. Police have released a sketch of one possible suspect in the case.

Police are offering a $22,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in the attack.

In a statement, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the attack "a pointless and gutless crime." He promised authorities would find and prosecute those responsible.

Family spokesman Francisco Moya said Jose Sucuzhanay had lived in the United States for more than a decade and was a legal resident (just thought I would highlight this for those of you who think it makes a difference, ).

Diego Sucuzhanay said Jose set up a successful real estate business in a low-income area, thinking he could make a difference there.

He said his brother wanted to help everyone and hired a diverse team, including four African-Americans and two Latinos. He was raising two children: a 9-year-old son and 4-year-old daughter.

"We were proud of him," Diego Sucuzhanay said.

He said the family had wanted Jose's mother to get to his bedside before he died. Doctors told them Jose was brain dead since the attack, and that machines kept him alive until his heart failed Friday.

At a press conference Sunday outside the hospital, Diego Sucuzhanay touched his chest and said: "My heart is broken, but my brother's [memory] will live on. "

Asked in an interview with CNN how his brother would be remembered, he paused several seconds and answered: "For being the victim of a hate crime."


Though he didn't participate in the demonstration, he said he was grateful to those who did, and that everyone needs to practice tolerance.

"We definitely have to speak out," he said.

Hundreds protest New York immigrant's fatal beating - CNN.com

Indeed we do, .

I guess my one every two months estimate was short. Ecuadoreans are having a bad run in the 'hate crime' department I guess, Apparently, from another article I read, they were perceived as gay because the brothers were arm in arm. Can't leave that house looking Hispanic and gay, you might get beaten with a bat, .
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