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After Rioting for Police Body Cams, Liberals Now Say They’re Racist

BY GABRIELLE CINTORINO
NOVEMBER 16, 2017 AT 6:57AM

After rioting in the streets, demanding that police wear body cameras, liberals are now saying that body cameras are racist and can alter a police officer’s memory.

According to a new study by The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights called “The Illusion of Accuracy: How Body-Worn Camera Footage Can Distort Evidence,” officers pose a threat to civil rights when they review their body cam footage.

The report claims that many police departments allow their officers to watch their body cameras before or while writing a police report — as opposed to writing a report based on what they could recall.

As a result, the report alleges that this warps an officer’s memory and damages the authenticity of a report.

“Given that even slight changes in memory can impact how an officer ultimately describes his or her own experience within an incident report, departments must protect the integrity of these reports by requiring that officers document their untainted perception before watching any footage,” the report argues.

The report damns the efforts of police departments to give transparency in their dealings with the public.

“Unrestricted footage review places civil rights at risk and undermines the goals of transparency and accountability,” Leadership Conference CEO Vanita Gupta, head of the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division during the Obama administration, wrote in the report’s introduction.

This blatant disregard for law enforcement in our nation infuriates former police officers.

According to The Associated Press, former police officer and current lawyer Lance LoRusso condemned the report.

“They want to be as accurate as they can,” he said, referring to officers writing police reports based on body cameras.

“This specter that every time an officer looks at the video they’re going to lie and adapt their statement just is infuriating because we want the officers to write the most accurate report they can,” he continued.

Washington D.C. Chief of Police Peter Newsham told NPR that cameras have not changed the way his officers act or the way they write reports.

“I think a lot of people were suggesting that the body-worn cameras would change behavior,” Newsham said. “There was no indication that the cameras changed behavior at all.”

Newsham stated that his officers were doing the right thing in the first place and that people are misconstruing the purpose of the cameras.

“I think it’s really important for legitimacy for the police department,” Newsham told NPR. “When we say something to be able to back it up with a real-world view that others can see.”

Demands for police officers to wear body cameras grew out of controversial police shootings led to accusations that cops were unfairly targeting minorities in America. The shootings led to riots, where protesters demanded cops interactions with the public be recorded.

Now that many departments have them, and they’re simply showing that most police officers are doing their jobs correctly, the discontented “civil rights groups” want to restrict their use.

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Obviously, viewing body-cam video after the fact will only change a police officers perspective if the subject in the video is not the same race as the police officer.


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Obviously, viewing body-cam video after the fact will only change a police officers perspective if the subject in the video is not the same race as the police officer.


Is it just me, or are people getting more stupid by the day?
It's just you. People have always been that stupid.
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That article is crap.
Headline: "After Rioting for Police Body Cams, Liberals Now Say They’re Racist"
** Nobody "rioted" for police body cams.
** Where the heck is there anything in the article saying the body cams are racist?
Hint: Nowhere...

The article itself is not saying body cam usage should be stopped.
What it is talking about is saying that police should not be able to consult the video as they write up their report. That they should have to rely on their memory...
And, if they do consult the video in writing up their report, they should document that it happened...
This report explains why police departments must carefully limit officers’ review of body-worn camera footage. Policies that permit unrestricted review of footage reduce the accuracy of officer reports, and undermine the independent evidentiary and investigative value of police reports.
....

Allowing police officers to view body-worn camera footage before writing their reports violates community confidence, undermining two pillars of procedural justice: fairness in the process and transparency in actions.43

“Allowing police officers to watch body camera footage before writing reports undermines the tools’ promise of accountability.”
First, unrestricted viewing is an unfair process from the perspective of the community. While officers are allowed to consult video footage before writing their statements, other witnesses are not afforded this opportunity and must rely on their own memories. For example, if an individual witnessed an armed robbery at a bank, the police would not show that person footage from the bank’s security camera before taking a statement from that witness. Civilians and witnesses who directly interact with the police are similarly not allowed to view relevant body-worn camera footage prior to making initial statements, while officers often are. This inconsistency between the way officers and civilians are treated erodes the public’s perception of procedural fairness in policing.

Second, there is little transparency as to when police officers are actually consulting camera footage in practice. Departments rarely explicitly state which evidence officers are allowed to use in their reports, and the community is often unaware that officers can change their statements to match what is shown on the body-worn camera footage before filing, without any paper trail of those changes. Too few departments require officers to note in their reports when body camera footage was consulted.
https://www.teamupturn.org/reports/2...on-of-accuracy

I personally don't follow the logic of the document for how that could lead to civil rights violations. The article provides a video which shows a police group arresting a man. The clip from the body cam shows an incomplete picture whereby the focus of the one body-cam seems to implicate the suspect as resisting arrest. A video-camera in the area showed a different story in that the suspect had stopped running and was submitting for arrest, when he appears to be attacked by the police anyways.

But the real moral of that story is that even a body-cam may not show the complete story. That is easily argued in court.
And likewise, police should be trained to remember that and not to rely on the body-cam to dictate their report... Simple enough.
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That article is crap.
Headline: "After Rioting for Police Body Cams, Liberals Now Say They’re Racist"
** Nobody "rioted" for police body cams.
** Where the heck is there anything in the article saying the body cams are racist?
Hint: Nowhere...

The article itself is not saying body cam usage should be stopped.
What it is talking about is saying that police should not be able to consult the video as they write up their report. That they should have to rely on their memory...
And, if they do consult the video in writing up their report, they should document that it happened...
This report explains why police departments must carefully limit officers’ review of body-worn camera footage. Policies that permit unrestricted review of footage reduce the accuracy of officer reports, and undermine the independent evidentiary and investigative value of police reports.
....

Allowing police officers to view body-worn camera footage before writing their reports violates community confidence, undermining two pillars of procedural justice: fairness in the process and transparency in actions.43

“Allowing police officers to watch body camera footage before writing reports undermines the tools’ promise of accountability.”
First, unrestricted viewing is an unfair process from the perspective of the community. While officers are allowed to consult video footage before writing their statements, other witnesses are not afforded this opportunity and must rely on their own memories. For example, if an individual witnessed an armed robbery at a bank, the police would not show that person footage from the bank’s security camera before taking a statement from that witness. Civilians and witnesses who directly interact with the police are similarly not allowed to view relevant body-worn camera footage prior to making initial statements, while officers often are. This inconsistency between the way officers and civilians are treated erodes the public’s perception of procedural fairness in policing.

Second, there is little transparency as to when police officers are actually consulting camera footage in practice. Departments rarely explicitly state which evidence officers are allowed to use in their reports, and the community is often unaware that officers can change their statements to match what is shown on the body-worn camera footage before filing, without any paper trail of those changes. Too few departments require officers to note in their reports when body camera footage was consulted.
https://www.teamupturn.org/reports/2...on-of-accuracy

I personally don't follow the logic of the document for how that could lead to civil rights violations. The article provides a video which shows a police group arresting a man. The clip from the body cam shows an incomplete picture whereby the focus of the one body-cam seems to implicate the suspect as resisting arrest. A video-camera in the area showed a different story in that the suspect had stopped running and was submitting for arrest, when he appears to be attacked by the police anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQp0xvi0b8w

But the real moral of that story is that even a body-cam may not show the complete story. That is easily argued in court.
And likewise, police should be trained to remember that and not to rely on the body-cam to dictate their report... Simple enough.
Utter bull crap. If the cam can produce a more accurate report, then the cam should be not only allowed, but encouraged.

Why is this any different than the officer pulling out his pocket tablet and ball[point and writing things down?

The intent of the clamor for body cams by the left was to show LEO in a bad light, and when they do otherwise then we have a new issue.

What should not be allowed, ever, is editing the tapes. Only raw footage should show up in court, or the LEO report.
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Utter bull crap.

What did I actually say that you consider to be bullcrap?

Was it:
I personally don't follow the logic of the document for how that could lead to civil rights violations.
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But the real moral of that story is that even a body-cam may not show the complete story. That is easily argued in court.
And likewise, police should be trained to remember that and not to rely on the body-cam to dictate their report... Simple enough.
Note the words "rely on" and "dictate". Those words have meaning.


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If the cam can produce a more accurate report, then the cam should be not only allowed, but encouraged.
Did I say it should be discouraged?



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Why is this any different than the officer pulling out his pocket tablet and ball[point and writing things down?
In the notebook situation, it's the officer's own words and thoughts.
For most of the time, I would think the video would be good as well.

The video in the article is somewhat crap to me because it only shows part of the time of the incident. The wall mounted camera shows more time coverage than what the body-cam shows...


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The intent of the clamor for body cams by the left was to show LEO in a bad light, and when they do otherwise then we have a new issue.
I'll take strawman arguments for $1,000 Alex?


Or maybe I should respond by saying that the resistance to the body cams by the right was to allow LEO to continue to kill black people without evidence...
See? I can throw out dumb stereo-types too!

But in all seriousness, re-read the article and ask yourself HOW MANY liberals are actually being talked about here...
Have you ever heard of Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights before today? I haven't...
If you actually read the actual report, you'll see that not only was the group NOT talking about removing body-cams, they also never called them "racist" like the article claimed.
Instead of being mad at liberals for some made-up b.s., you should question what idiot wrote an article with a title saying "Liberals Now Say They’re Racist" and nowhere in the article is this even hinted at...


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What should not be allowed, ever, is editing the tapes. Only raw footage should show up in court, or the LEO report.
Agreed.
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