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I think you just proved he is indeed your messiah. OH yea I forgot how many times he says stupid ****. I meant the Muslim Mom time.
How so?
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Some statements cannot be taken back, nor forgotten.


Looking at the last statement, the irony is thick at the present time, don't you think?
Trump does have a way of failing to remove his shoe before sticking his foot in his mouth.

Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Trump obviously didn't read much Twain.
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I think they would have a lot more cred if they had been in the service.
That's no more than an opinion. Facts!!!!!

I would agree it gives someone an understanding of military life and would provide a justifiable basis for improving conditions for military families. Other than that not much more than could be learned in the public sector.

For instance playing sports, operating a small business, or perhaps paramilitary units like civil defense, first responders, disaster relief. Learning to organize resources in the real world, to meet goals as a team, is no more or less important than learning how parade in step.
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Giving your country the power to order you to die on a hill of their choosing is pretty indicative of ones love of country and patriotism. But yea, since Trump is a draft dodger playing sports is just as good.
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That's no more than an opinion. Facts!!!!!

I would agree it gives someone an understanding of military life and would provide a justifiable basis for improving conditions for military families. Other than that not much more than could be learned in the public sector.

For instance playing sports, operating a small business, or perhaps paramilitary units like civil defense, first responders, disaster relief. Learning to organize resources in the real world, to meet goals as a team, is no more or less important than learning how parade in step.
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Giving your country the power to order you to die on a hill of their choosing is pretty indicative of ones love of country and patriotism. But yea, since Trump is a draft dodger playing sports is just as good.
Once again your comments re-enforce my arguments.

Almost three out of four military deaths in Afghanistan were under Obama.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...n-obamas-watch

And budget cuts by both Obama and Clinton made military families suffer financially.

I agree that service often makes one a better POTUS but then I'll bet you didn't vote for McCain over Obama or Dole over Clinton. And though our military suffered under both of those Presidents, it doesn't disqualify Trump, or anyone in particular, from being a good president. Much less making them a bad choice for understanding the men and women in uniform.

Your metric is conveniently duplicitous.
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Patton was firing up the troops to go into battle, Trump was babbling stupid ****, big difference. And the not getting captured, how did Trump suggest he avoid it? maybe get a doctor to say he had bone spurs? . Whatever he said to the most recent disrespectful trumpster event, after it blew up he had two honorable ways to handle, apologize to the family and not say anything else, or just not say anything else. But President Trump again behaves like a spoiled 5 year old. no, defending the way trump disrespects our military is proof the messiah has warped your reality.
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I don't have a conservative Messiah.

Trump said that being captured did not automatically make you a hero. That's a fact. Doing heroic things makes you a hero. I think the attempt was being made to piggyback on Patton's quote "The object is not to die for your country, but to make the other SOB die for his".

Similarly, the Gold Star quote. I've heard that nearly every time someone dies doing what they choose to do. The last time I heard it was a from a friend who's son in law died in a kayak accident. Almost word for word.

You really don't get it. More than a few supporters of the President do not think of him as a Messiah, More than a few do not mindless worship.
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FrancSevin;913852]So then you don't like Bill Clinton or Barack Obama right.
Did they lie to get out of the draft?

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Or how about Hillary or Elizabeth or Nancy Pelosi.
Did they lie to get out of the draft?

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They never served but then you said "his country and didn't" thus making you sexist as well as hypocritical.
Did you avoid the draft chief?
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We are now a totally volunteer military. Most men and women choose not to serve thus limiting the number of people who would therefore qualify under your criteria. Is that really a good idea?
It would be better if we wouldn't get into BS wars wouldn't it?

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I'm curious to know exactly what about a stint in the military uniquely prepares someone to be POTUS.
[/QUOTE]It helps them to know that when they contact a family...a gold star family it would be good to have empathy.
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Some statements cannot be taken back, nor forgotten.


Looking at the last statement, the irony is thick at the present time, don't you think?
AH but you forget what McCain said about Trump and his supporters before his firs AZ rally.

Mc Cain was an idiot for calling Trump and his supporters idiots, or something to that effect, with no provocation or rational reason.

That was HIS mistake. For that, I can and will forgive Trump for Mc Cain's mouth. John Mc Cain started it, and Trump handed him his ass. Therefore poor little John Mc Cain got his feeling hurt, now it is pay back time for Trump.

He needs to grow up at his age. I don't think this is the actions of a hero, or of a Congressman. He is now just another azz hurt politician who, btw, it acting strangely like a Democrat. I have not liked his left wing positions since the election. I see his name on a list of Clinton payouts with some other Republicans. Makes me wonder if he is not a double agent.

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Mc Cain was an idiot for calling Trump and his supporters idiots, or something to that effect, with no provocation or rational reason.

Not idiots, crazies. I think it was part and parcel re: the immigration crisis.

He needs to grow up at his age. Regards, Kirk
Yes, I agree! Trump does need to grow up.
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Yes, I agree! Trump does need to grow up.
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