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New California law allows jail time for using wrong gender pronoun, sponsor denies that would happen

California health care workers who “willfully and repeatedly” decline to use a senior transgender patient's “preferred name or pronouns” could face punishments ranging from a fine to jail time under a newly signed law.

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed the legislation last week.

The sponsor, Democratic state Sen. Scott Wiener, has argued adamantly that nobody is going to be criminally prosecuted for using the wrong pronoun.

“It’s just more scare tactics by people who oppose all LGBT civil rights and protections,” he said in a statement last month.

But the language seemingly allows for the possibility, however remote.

The bill itself is aimed at protecting transgender and other LGBT individuals in hospitals, retirement homes and assisted living facilities. The bill would ensure those facilities accommodate transgender people and their needs, including letting them decide which gender-specific bathroom they prefer to use.

"It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to take any of the following actions wholly or partially on the basis of a person’s actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, or human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) status," the bill reads.

California legislator calling for jail time for caregivers refusing to us preferred names of transgender residents Video
Bill proposes punishment for not using preferred pronouns

Among the unlawful actions are “willfully and repeatedly” failing to use a transgender person’s “preferred name or pronouns” after he or she is “clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns.”

The law states that if provisions are violated, the violator could be punished by a fine “not to exceed one thousand dollars” or “by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year,” or both.

Wiener's office noted that violations for residential care facilities under existing law rarely resulted in criminal charges, especially for minor violations. Criminal penalties are meant more for violations that expose a patient to risk of death or serious harm, his office said.

Wiener’s office noted that the law “does not create any new criminal provisions,” but rather creates “new rights within an existing structure.”

One opponent of the law, the California Family Council's Greg Burt, slammed the measure when the bill was in its early stages.

“How can you believe in free speech, but think the government can compel people to use certain pronouns when talking to others?” he said to the California Assembly Judiciary Committee in August, according to CBN News.
Hey California citizens, better watch your "his" and "hers" and "she's and "he's".


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they don't want you to call them hon or sugar or by the first name but to respect them so they had to update the handles.
get over it
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they don't want you to call them hon or sugar or by the first name but to respect them so they had to update the handles.
get over it
I don't think that is what the bill is saying. If I were to refer to a person whose gender is male but identifies as a female, as he, him, his, etc., this bill could be used to prosecute me. It is absurd that the state government can prosecute someone for speaking the truth. It also is very much unconstitutional. I have a legal right to call anyone any name I choose. The First Amendment codifies that right.
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Yet another thread on a transgender law which ignores reality...
There’s no doubt conservative media groups wrote misleading and inflammatory headlines about California’s LGBT Senior Bill of Rights. They seized on the small chance that one could face criminal charges for using the wrong pronoun to identify a transgender resident in a long-term care home.

But the headlines, and some of the articles that follow, don’t fully explain the high bar necessary for criminal prosecution. Calling someone by the wrong pronoun would have to be repeated and willful, as some articles detail. But this action would also have to put a resident at risk of death or serious physical harm -- though at least one religious liberty group disputes that this would be necessary to bring criminal charges.

What seems clear is that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this would be treated as any other violation of the health and safety code at a long-term care center, such as violating a smoking ban, and punished with a fine.

While not without a sliver of truth, the claims by conservative groups clearly distort the penalty proposed for violating this part of the bill.

We agree with Wiener’s summary of this issue when he says:

"Under already existing law governing residential care facilities, violations can be charged as misdemeanors. They rarely are charged criminally and certainly not for minor violations."
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What a crock of shlt of an interpretation.
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I hope some person comes along that insists all the nurses call said person he/him and insists all doctors/orderly's call said person she/her. Just to cause mayhem amongst the staff when they are in the room together.
What better entertainment could an elderly person confined to a nursing home or care facility ask for?
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they don't want you to call them hon or sugar or by the first name but to respect them so they had to update the handles.
get over it
I'm okay with sugar, but I draw the line at calling me "honey".
Honey is a combination of pollen and bee spit and I don't find being called "bee spit" flattering.
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No, You mean FOX news is faking it again? Surprised. Anything to work up the right wingers.
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Yet another thread on a transgender law which ignores reality...
There’s no doubt conservative media groups wrote misleading and inflammatory headlines about California’s LGBT Senior Bill of Rights. They seized on the small chance that one could face criminal charges for using the wrong pronoun to identify a transgender resident in a long-term care home.

But the headlines, and some of the articles that follow, don’t fully explain the high bar necessary for criminal prosecution. Calling someone by the wrong pronoun would have to be repeated and willful, as some articles detail. But this action would also have to put a resident at risk of death or serious physical harm -- though at least one religious liberty group disputes that this would be necessary to bring criminal charges.

What seems clear is that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this would be treated as any other violation of the health and safety code at a long-term care center, such as violating a smoking ban, and punished with a fine.

While not without a sliver of truth, the claims by conservative groups clearly distort the penalty proposed for violating this part of the bill.

We agree with Wiener’s summary of this issue when he says:

"Under already existing law governing residential care facilities, violations can be charged as misdemeanors. They rarely are charged criminally and certainly not for minor violations."
Claims mislead about California forcing jail time for using wrong transgender pronoun | PolitiFact California
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Right wing news is designed to work up right wingers. They willfully leave out important facts. The right ends up looking like fools but they don't care and go back to the same sources over and over. Then they call the MSM fake news. Go figure.
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Yet another thread on a transgender law which ignores reality...
There’s no doubt conservative media groups wrote misleading and inflammatory headlines about California’s LGBT Senior Bill of Rights. They seized on the small chance that one could face criminal charges for using the wrong pronoun to identify a transgender resident in a long-term care home.

But the headlines, and some of the articles that follow, don’t fully explain the high bar necessary for criminal prosecution. Calling someone by the wrong pronoun would have to be repeated and willful, as some articles detail. But this action would also have to put a resident at risk of death or serious physical harm -- though at least one religious liberty group disputes that this would be necessary to bring criminal charges.

What seems clear is that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this would be treated as any other violation of the health and safety code at a long-term care center, such as violating a smoking ban, and punished with a fine.

While not without a sliver of truth, the claims by conservative groups clearly distort the penalty proposed for violating this part of the bill.

We agree with Wiener’s summary of this issue when he says:

"Under already existing law governing residential care facilities, violations can be charged as misdemeanors. They rarely are charged criminally and certainly not for minor violations."
Claims mislead about California forcing jail time for using wrong transgender pronoun | PolitiFact California
So if there is no penalty attached to the law, why create it in the first place?
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