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Wonder if tRump talks to his Secretary of State...ever.

"Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is working behind the scenes with Congress to head off the possibility of an international crisis ahead of the agreement's looming October 15 certification deadline, several US officials and Western diplomats told CNN. "

President Trump plans to announce next week that he will “decertify” the international nuclear deal with Iran, saying it is not in the national interest of the United States and kicking the issue to a reluctant Congress, people briefed on an emerging White House strategy for Iran said Thursday.

<The move would mark the first step in a process that could eventually result in the resumption of U.S. sanctions against Iran, which would blow up a deal limiting Iran’s nuclear activities that the country reached in 2015 with the U.S. and five other nations.>

<Trump is expected to deliver a speech, tentatively scheduled for Oct. 12, laying out a larger strategy for confronting the nation it blames for terrorism and instability throughout the Middle East.>

<Other people familiar with the nine-month review of U.S. military, diplomatic, economic and intelligence approaches toward Iran spoke on condition of anonymity because aspects of the policy are not yet set and Trump has not announced his decision.>

<Trump’s senior national security advisers agreed within the past several weeks to recommend that Trump “decertify” the agreement at the Oct. 15 deadline, two of those people said.>

<That would start a 60-day congressional review period to consider the next steps for the United States. On its own, the step would not break the agreement among Iran, the United States and other world powers, but would start a clock on resuming sanctions that the United States had lifted as its part of the deal.>

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Obama's Iran deal isn't in the national interest is it?
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Obama's Iran deal isn't in the national interest is it?
Yes it is. I mean if you believe we should try to keep Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, it is.
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Yes it is. I mean if you believe we should try to keep Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, it is.
Either Iran puts a cork in it, or it will be fitted with one.
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“Fix it, or nix it,” Netanyahu said in a speech at the U.N. General Assembly meeting...

Trump expected to decertify Iran nuclear deal, official says
October 5, 2017 | WASHINGTON - President Donald Trump is expected to announce soon that he will decertify the landmark international deal to curb Iran’s nuclear program, a senior administration official said on Thursday, in a step that potentially could cause the 2015 accord to unravel.
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The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Trump is also expected to roll out a broader U.S. strategy on Iran that would be more confrontational. The Trump administration has frequently criticized Iran’s conduct in the Middle East. Trump, who has called the pact an “embarrassment” and “the worst deal ever negotiated,” has been weighing whether it serves U.S. security interests as he faces an Oct. 15 deadline for certifying that Iran is complying with its terms. “We must not allow Iran ... to obtain nuclear weapons,” Trump said during a meeting with military leaders at the White House on Thursday, adding: “The Iranian regime supports terrorism and exports violence, bloodshed and chaos across the Middle East. That is why we must put an end to Iran’s continued aggression and nuclear ambitions. They have not lived up to the spirit of their agreement.” Asked about his decision on whether to certify the landmark deal, Trump said: “You’ll be hearing about Iran very shortly.”

Supporters say its collapse could trigger a regional arms race and worsen Middle East tensions, while opponents say it went too far in easing sanctions without requiring that Iran end its nuclear program permanently. Iranian authorities have repeatedly said Tehran would not be the first to violate the accord, under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program in return for lifting most international sanctions that had crippled its economy. If Trump declines to certify Iran’s compliance, U.S. congressional leaders would have 60 days to decide whether to reimpose sanctions on Tehran suspended under the agreement. Whether Congress would be willing to reimpose sanctions is far from clear. While Republicans, and some Democrats, opposed the deal when it was approved in 2015, there is little obvious appetite in Congress for dealing with the Iran issue now.

The prospect that Washington could renege on the pact, which was signed by the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, the European Union and Iran, has worried some of the U.S. allies that helped negotiate it. “We, the Europeans, we have hammered this: the agreement is working,” said a European diplomat who asked to remain anonymous. “We as Europeans, have repeated ... it’s impossible to reopen the agreement. Period. It’s impossible.” French President Emmanuel Macron said last month there was no alternative to the nuclear accord, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). A senior Iranian diplomat told Reuters on Thursday the end result of Trump’s expected move would be to isolate the United States since the Europeans would continue to support it. “Many foreign investors told us that they will not be scared away from Iran’s market if Trump de-certifies the deal,” the diplomat said.

Trump has long criticized the pact, a signature foreign policy achievement of his Democratic predecessor Barack Obama. The administration was considering Oct. 12 for Trump to give a speech on Iran but no final decision had been made, an official said previously. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a close ally of Trump, last month said that unless provisions in the accord removing restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program over time are eliminated, it should be canceled. “Fix it, or nix it,” Netanyahu said in a speech at the U.N. General Assembly annual gathering of world leaders on Sept. 19. Many of Trump’s fellow Republicans who control Congress also have been critical of the deal.

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Obama's Iran deal isn't in the national interest is it?
Wonder why he ignoring the advice of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr?
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Either Iran puts a cork in it, or it will be fitted with one.
Our government is the one acting belligerent in regards to this deal. Trump needs to shut his dumbass up before he f-cks us over hard on the international stage.

This is actually a really bad, dumb move. The nuclear deal ends some sanctions in exchange for Iran limiting its nuclear activities in order to keep them from developing a nuclear weapon, whilst allowing them to continue enrichment for their energy grid. The international community gets to push back against nuclear proliferation and engage in routine inspections, Iran gets to develop its energy sector, and diplomatic relations between Iran and several major countries improve So far, according to every side, they're complying. Also the people of Iran voted in a new, more moderate party into power by a decent majority. Things might get a lot better for them too if these moderates control their government when the old Ayatollah croaks over.

There is no good reason for backing out of the deal. Breaking this agreement will further isolate us diplomatically and weaken our international standing. This would also discourage other nations from making deals with us in the future, since it sure would be difficult to trust America for long-term agreements if they'll just be scuttled every time we change who's in charge. And on top of that Iran may resume their weapons-grade enrichment program and possibly push the ME into a nuclear arms race sometime down the road. Hopefully the other major players in this agreement won't follow our path should we choose to disengage, and Iran sticks to it's end of the bargain regardless of the US.

I really hope Mattis and Kelly and Tillerson can stop Trump from screwing us, our allies, and Iran over like this.
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Wonder why he ignoring the advice of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr?
Mattis: In US national security interest to stay in Iran deal - CNNPolitics

Which side is Trump on? Not America's.
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Wonder if tRump talks to his Secretary of State...ever.

"Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is working behind the scenes with Congress to head off the possibility of an international crisis ahead of the agreement's looming October 15 certification deadline, several US officials and Western diplomats told CNN. "

President Trump plans to announce next week that he will “decertify” the international nuclear deal with Iran, saying it is not in the national interest of the United States and kicking the issue to a reluctant Congress, people briefed on an emerging White House strategy for Iran said Thursday.

<The move would mark the first step in a process that could eventually result in the resumption of U.S. sanctions against Iran, which would blow up a deal limiting Iran’s nuclear activities that the country reached in 2015 with the U.S. and five other nations.>

<Trump is expected to deliver a speech, tentatively scheduled for Oct. 12, laying out a larger strategy for confronting the nation it blames for terrorism and instability throughout the Middle East.>

<Other people familiar with the nine-month review of U.S. military, diplomatic, economic and intelligence approaches toward Iran spoke on condition of anonymity because aspects of the policy are not yet set and Trump has not announced his decision.>

<Trump’s senior national security advisers agreed within the past several weeks to recommend that Trump “decertify” the agreement at the Oct. 15 deadline, two of those people said.>

<That would start a 60-day congressional review period to consider the next steps for the United States. On its own, the step would not break the agreement among Iran, the United States and other world powers, but would start a clock on resuming sanctions that the United States had lifted as its part of the deal.>

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