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I wonder why House Speaker Eddie Munster is slow with this NRA backed bill.Whats 58 dead and hundreds injured as long as it's not noticeable.

<Republicans said Tuesday they had halted plans, at least temporarily, to advance a bill that would make it easier for Americans to buy gun silencers.>

<The shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night that left at least 58 dead and hundreds injured magnified the focus on the legislation, which passed a House committee last month.>

<“That bill is not scheduled now; I don’t know when it’s going to be scheduled,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters. “Right now we’re focused on passing our budget.”>

<The Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act passed the House Natural Resources Committee on a party-line vote on Sept. 13. Owning a firearm silencer requires a special license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, similar to the regulations surrounding machine guns and explosives. The House bill would instead treat silencers like firearms, requiring only a federal background check.>

<Law enforcement officials have not indicated that the Las Vegas shooter, 64-year-old retired accountant Stephen Paddock, used a silencer in his attack. But they have said another controversial accessory was found at the scene: a “bump stock,” which can allow legal semiautomatic rifles to fire as rapidly as more heavily restricted fully automatic weapons can.>

<Democrats again argued Tuesday that there is no better time to highlight congressional inaction on guns. They blamed Ryan, for instance, for refusing to allow votes on a universal background check bill and blocking requests for hearings on the issue.>

<House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) asked Ryan on Monday to launch a bipartisan special committee on gun violence, but Democrats said Ryan turned down the request. They also said he rejected a proposal from Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) for a show of unity and action to curb acts of gun violence.>

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The reason of why came to me while listening to tonight's episode of Charlie Rose.

He was a frustrated advocate of gun control...

... and what better way to prove his point...

... than to do what he did?

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They need to outlaw the bump stocks. The use of them is what created the huge casualty rate.
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I wonder why House Speaker Eddie Munster is slow with this NRA backed bill.Whats 58 dead and hundreds injured as long as it's not noticeable.

<Republicans said Tuesday they had halted plans, at least temporarily, to advance a bill that would make it easier for Americans to buy gun silencers.>

<The shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night that left at least 58 dead and hundreds injured magnified the focus on the legislation, which passed a House committee last month.>

<“That bill is not scheduled now; I don’t know when it’s going to be scheduled,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters. “Right now we’re focused on passing our budget.”>

<The Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act passed the House Natural Resources Committee on a party-line vote on Sept. 13. Owning a firearm silencer requires a special license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, similar to the regulations surrounding machine guns and explosives. The House bill would instead treat silencers like firearms, requiring only a federal background check.>

<Law enforcement officials have not indicated that the Las Vegas shooter, 64-year-old retired accountant Stephen Paddock, used a silencer in his attack. But they have said another controversial accessory was found at the scene: a “bump stock,” which can allow legal semiautomatic rifles to fire as rapidly as more heavily restricted fully automatic weapons can.>

<Democrats again argued Tuesday that there is no better time to highlight congressional inaction on guns. They blamed Ryan, for instance, for refusing to allow votes on a universal background check bill and blocking requests for hearings on the issue.>

<House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) asked Ryan on Monday to launch a bipartisan special committee on gun violence, but Democrats said Ryan turned down the request. They also said he rejected a proposal from Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) for a show of unity and action to curb acts of gun violence.>

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One has to wonder what the silencer bill has to do with the Las Vegas shooter, who apparently did not use a silencer.
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They need to outlaw the bump stocks. The use of them is what created the huge casualty rate.

Except it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to make a weapon go full auto. Ban the use of oxygen by psychos who murder. I go for that.
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They need to outlaw the bump stocks. The use of them is what created the huge casualty rate.
I expect that will come up. Bump stocks have been around for years. And have not been a problem.

The Gatling and the minigun are both legal rapid fire weapons. It wouldn't surprise me if they get caught up in the same law. There are probably less than 25 combined in private hands. Costing 6 figures each, they are hardly a problem.
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I expect that will come up. Bump stocks have been around for years. And have not been a problem.

The Gatling and the minigun are both legal rapid fire weapons. It wouldn't surprise me if they get caught up in the same law. There are probably less than 25 combined in private hands. Costing 6 figures each, they are hardly a problem.
The bump stocks are a dime a dozen, I will bet they are going into overdrive producing them right now. 99 bucks each. Of course the price may go up now.
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What was he thinking???...

Bump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration
October 4, 2017 | On June 7, 2010 -- about a year and a half into the Barack Obama administration -- the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued an opinion letter, giving the go-ahead to an after-market accessory that allows the user to “bump fire” a semi-automatic rifle.
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A company called Slide Fire had earlier sent its patented replacement shoulder stock to ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch, asking for an evaluation of the device. The ATF, in reply, wrote: “Your letter advises that the stock (referenced in this reply as a ‘bump stock’) is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility to ‘bump fire’ an AR-15 type rifle.” The device replaces the factory stock and grip. The replacement stock moves back and forth with the gun's recoil, allowing it to fire rapidly and continuously as the trigger repeatedly is bumped into the shooter’s finger. A switch allows the user to select semi-automatic fire (one shot for each trigger pull) or the more rapid “bump fire.”


This photo, taken from a video posted on the Slide Fire website, shows the after-market bump stock device, which uses the gun's recoil to cause rapid discharge of bullets.

According to the ATF’s June 2010 letter: “The stock has no automatically functioning mechanical parts or springs and performs no automatic mechanical function when installed. In order to use the device, the shooter must apply constant forward pressure with the non-shooting hands and constant rearward pressure with the shooting hand. Accordingly, we find that the ‘bump stock’ is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under the Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act.” Slide Fire has posted a copy of the approval letter on its website.

The company also notes, “By definition, our current rifle stocks are not adjustable stocks or trigger manipulation devices.” An ATF agent told CBS News that the Las Vegas shooter had equipped 12 of the rifles found in his hotel room with bump stocks. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said on Tuesday that she intends to introduce legislation to close what she calls the “automatic weapon loophole,” and some Republicans have indicated they may be open to the idea of banning after-market devices that allow semi-automatic weapons to simulate automatic fire.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...administration
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12 Rifles in Gunman's Hotel Room Had Bump Stocks; 33 Guns Purchased in Past Year
October 4, 2017 - The 64-year-old man who opened fire on Las Vegas concert-goers Sunday night installed bump stocks on 12 of the semi-automatic rifles found in his hotel room, an ATF agent told "CBS This Morning."
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Bump stocks are among the devices, legal at the moment, that allow a semi-automatic weapon to fire continuously, but weapons equipped with bump stocks do not fall into the machine gun category. "A semi-automatic weapon with a bump-fire stock on it is not an illegal machine gun," Jill Snyder, a special agent in charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told CBS's Norah O'Donnell.

On Tuesday afternoon, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters that the gunman had modified his weapoBump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration
By Susan Jones | October 4, 2017 | ns to make them fire faster. "ATF is participating in that evaluation," he told a news conference. "I can't give you an answer on whether any of them are automatic or not, but we are aware of a device called a bump stock and that enables an individual to speed up the discharge of ammunition. I don't want to give you any more details than that, but in partnership with the FBI, the ATF, they are sending those weapons back East to the FBI crime lab for further evaluation," Lombardo said.

ATF Special Agent Snyder was more forthcoming with information about the gunman's firearms: "From October 2016 to September 28, 2017, he purchased 33 firearms, majority of them rifles," Snyder told CBS. "We wouldn't get notified of the purchases of the rifles, we would only get notified if there was a multiple sale, which would be two or more handguns in an individual purchase," she added. Snyder also told CBS that the gunman used magazines holding 60 to 100 rounds each.


Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Joseph Lombardo holds a news conference on Tuesday afternoon, Oct. 3, 2017.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Tuesday said she plans to introduce legislation to "close the automatic weapon loophole." The senator issued a statement noting that the sale and manufacture of automatic weapons have been illegal since 1986, and automatic weapons produced before 1986 are regulated and tracked by the ATF: “Despite this, individuals are able to purchase bump fire stocks for less than $200 and easily convert a semi-automatic weapon into a firearm that can shoot between 400 and 800 rounds per minute and inflict absolute carnage," Feinstein wrote. "The Las Vegas shooter appears to have modified at least one of his weapons in this way. “A ban on bump fire stocks was included in my 2013 assault weapons bill, and I’m looking at how best to proceed with legislation to finally close this loophole. This is the least we should do in the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. It should be our highest priority.” In other news, the gunman's 62-year-old girlfriend has returned to the United States, arriving in Los Angeles overnight from the Philippines. Lombardo on Tuesday called her a "person of interest" in the case, and the FBI is believed to be interviewing her now.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ased-past-year
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‘There Is a False, Bizarre Kind of Courage That Comes With Attaching Yourself’ to…Very Powerful Weapons’
October 3, 2017 | Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) is pressing for new gun control laws.
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Murphy told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" it’s not just the “specific damage” such rifles can do. It’s also the “false” courage that military-style weapons give to troubled people: “In Newtown, we ask ourselves whether Adam Lanza would have ever walked into that school if he didn’t have tactical weaponry. There is a false, bizarre kind of courage that comes with attaching yourself to these kind of very powerful weapons. “And there is a question as to whether these shooters would ever take up position if all they had was a pistol instead of a dangerous military style weapon.”

Authorities said they found 23 weapons, apparently purchased legally, inside the Mandalay Bay hotel room where a 64-year-old man with no apparent motive or malady opened fire on a crowd of concert-goers, killing 59. Another 527 were injured, officials said. Murphy blamed the Las Vegas carnage “on the evil inside this one individual,” but also on U.S. laws “that allowed him to get his hands on weapons that are illegal in almost every other civilized country.” “Maybe he still would have taken a pistol and shot through the window, killed perhaps dozens below, but it would have been difficult without the semi-automatic weapon and the modifications that are still legal to this day in this country,” Murphy said. “So I think we’ve got to talk about change immediately, and the fact of the matter is, while everybody is focused on Las Vegas, mass shootings represent one percent of the gun casualties in this country. Every single day people are being killed by guns, and we need to talk about what’s happening in Baltimore, Chicago and Hartford on a daily basis.”

Murphy called for universal background checks, saying that change alone “probably would have stopped many of the other murders around the country on Sunday, before the shooting started in Las Vegas.” He said a background check bill is most likely to pass Congress, “because it enjoys widespread approval.”

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-yourself-very

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Wow! Thank's Walter, So the piece of hardware that changed those guns to automatic was given the green light under the Obama admin. And it was while dems had control of both houses. Why did they let that happen?
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Paddock bought 33 firearms in past year...

ATF: Las Vegas gunman bought 33 firearms in past year
Oct. 4, 2017 -- The gunman who killed 58 people in Las Vegas bought 33 of his 50 firearms in the past year, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Wednesday.
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Jill Snyder, special agent in charge of the ATF, told CBS This Morning that Stephen Paddock had been amassing his collection of guns since 1982. "From October 2016 to September 28, 2017, he purchased 33 firearms, majority of them rifles," None of the purchases set off an alarm for the ATF because there is no federal law requiring it. "We wouldn't get notified of the purchases of the rifles, we would only get notified if there was a multiple sale, which would be two or more handguns in an individual purchase," Snyder said. Snyder said Tuesday that 12 of the guns recovered from the hotel room were equipped with a legal device known as a "bump stock," which increases a weapon's rate of fire. "A semi-automatic rifle with a bump-fire stock on it is not a illegal machine gun," she said. "The ammo clip capacities ranged from 60 rounds to 100 rounds." Snyder said the agency was investigating whether Paddock visited firing ranges in the area.


A makeshift memorial for the victims of the country music festival mass shooting appears on the northwest corner of Sahara and Las Vegas Blvds. in Las Vegas on Tuesday -- near where 58 people were killed and hundreds injured late Sunday at an outdoor country music festival.

Meanwhile, Marilou Danley, described by police as Stephen Paddock's girlfriend who lived with him in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nev., returned from the Philippines late Tuesday. She was met by FBI agents in Los Angeles. Investigators believe Danley, 62, a casino worker and Australian citizen, might have information that will aid in the investigation. Nick Suarez, spokesman for the Philippines' National Bureau of investigation, said Paddock wired $100,000 to Danley while she was in the Philippines. Her sisters in Australia said in a television interview that they believed Paddock sent Danley out of the country so she would not affect his plans. "She was sent away. She was away so that she will be not there to interfere with what he's planning. She didn't even know that she was going to the Philippines until Steve said, 'Marilou, I found you a cheap ticket to the Philippines,'" they told Australia's Channel 7 News on Wednesday.


Two smashed windows are seen Wednesday on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, from which Stephen Paddock opened fire on a country music festival Sunday night -- killing 58 and wounding more than 500 people.

Paddock was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. He purchased 50 10-mg tablets of diazepam, known as Valium, at a Reno pharmacy on the day it was prescribed. Paddock also had an assortment of cameras in his 32nd-floor room at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, from which he fired down on the thousands attending a concert across the street for between 9 minutes and 11 minutes Sunday night. The shooting was "obviously premeditated," Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said. Undersheriff Kevin McMahill later said another camera was located within the hotel room's door peephole, giving Paddock the ability to see much of the hallway outside his room. Police said Tuesday that 23 firearms were found there. Clark County Coroner John Fudenberg said the death toll of 59 was revised to 58, not including Paddock, who police said killed himself as officers closed in on him. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department is continuing to confirm identities of those who died.


Donors have blood drawn during a drive at United Blood Services in Las Vegas for victims of Sunday's mass shooting.

Lombardo said the injury count, originally placed at 527, would likely decline due to counting errors. The sheriff added that officers "saved hundreds of lives" by engaging the gunman in his hotel room instead of waiting for a SWAT team. McMahill later said that the first police officers to arrive at Paddock's hotel room waited until firing stopped. The SWAT team then entered the room, where Paddock was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. The first body camera footage of police responding to the shooting was released Tuesday, showing police crouching behind a wall directing concertgoers as they ran for cover. The officers were near a police car on Las Vegas Boulevard, the road between the hotel and the concert site, where one officer was shot, McMahill said. Police at the scene wore 67 body cameras, he added.


FBI agents prepare to enter the site of Sunday's mass shooting where 58 people were killed and more than 500 injured while attending a country music festival in Las Vegas onWednesday.

President Donald Trump was visiting Las Vegas on Wednesday. "It's a very sad thing," Trump told reporters as he left the White House early Wednesday. "We're going to pay our respects. The police who have done, really, a fantastic job in a very short time, and yeah, they're learning a lot more. And that'll be announced at the appropriate time. It's a very, very sad day for me, personally." The president and first lady Melania Trump are scheduled to visit a Las Vegas hospital to see patients and medical professionals before going to an undisclosed location to meet with what the White House schedule identified as "civilian heroes" and first responders.

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