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During a research trip in the 1990s, I worked at the Virginia Historical Society in Richmond.

One morning, after visiting the breakfast bar at my hotel, I sat alone and had my bagel with cream cheese. Overhearing the conversation at the next table, I realized that I had stumbled into a convention of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV). I suddenly felt that I was trapped behind enemy lines.

The SCV traces white Southerners back to a mythic, heroic Lost Cause. This view is in sharp contrast with virtually all professional historians, who view the Confederacy as a rebellion to maintain human bondage.

But if the enemy surrounded me, what should I do? I decided to discard my newspaper, finish the bagel, and listen to my neighbors at a nearby table. One, from Ohio introduced himself to his new friends, and noted his pride in his Southern heritage.

Eventually, I sat down next to the Ohio native, and we had a short chat. He told me that he was not just proud of his Southern heritage, but was also a libertarian in his political views.

This got my attention. How could someone devoted to “liberty” be so proud of his affiliation with a war to maintain slavery? Feeling irritated, I left the hotel and headed to the archives.

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I'll be the first to admit I don't get Southerner's. Over the last 10 years on line and from my own personal experience they seem to think the war is still going on. It's part of the reason I left my last board, I got tired of being treated like I was the enemy. Now you might say that it's scars left behind by the war and you''d be partially right. The inconvenient logic Southerner's hate to hear is many of the Whites in the south didn't even have there families in the USA at the time of the war. Their families were still over in Europe in the 1860's, never owned slaves and never had anything to do with the Civil War. The prejudice against Northerner's are leftover impressions by those who did live there in the 1860's that have been passed down as part of the culture and today's southerner's are parroting like they lived it themselves. Of course don't point this out to them because this logic will cause them to bite your head off.

The General Lee statues in essence were erected to flip the bird at blacks and northerner's alike. Now don't get me wrong Lee was a brilliant General but c'mon now we know why they were put up and now it's time to get over the past and put it into context. The Lee statues should be taken down where inappropriate and put where they are appropriate. A few should be left right where they are to clearly mark and be labeled as racist and rebellious examples of the evolution of the USA after the war. They are part history although and not a flattering part as they were meant to continue the rebellion and intimidate anyone with abolitionist idea's as a sign that those community's still lived by the old ways.

The same thing can be applied to blacks. They look at me and automatically think "cracka". My family never owned slaves. Half my family was in Europe and the other half fought for the Union which freed their ancestors. Yet for some illogical reason they view me as the enemy and think I owe them reparations even though they themselves were never slaves and all who were owner and slave are all dead. Their illogical and prejudicial argument is based solely on the color of my skin. I have a dream that my family will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have no doubt that the person in the presented article felt like he was behind enemy lines because that's the sick mentality that's prevalent below the Mason Dixon line. I say sick because if the Sons of Confederate Veterans, KKK,Nazi's and other white supremacist groups had their way they would enslave and kill anyone who wasn't white. That's the view the rest of the country is getting of the South because that's what they are willingly associating with in 2017. That said ANTIFA is just as bad as the people they protest against. They might as well Heil Hitler because they're proving themselves to be no better in tactic's and deeds. ANTIFA,KKK,Nazi's,you're all cut from the same cloth.
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Actually no, Mikeyy is not the author. The author is some college perfessor in Iowa who fancies himself an expert in southern culture and has total recall of incidents that occurred 27 years ago.

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I'll be the first to admit I don't get Southerner's. Over the last 10 years on line and from my own personal experience they seem to think the war is still going on. It's part of the reason I left my last board, I got tired of being treated like I was the enemy. Now you might say that it's scars left behind by the war and you''d be partially right. The inconvenient logic Southerner's hate to hear is many of the Whites in the south didn't even have there families in the USA at the time of the war. Their families were still over in Europe in the 1860's, never owned slaves and never had anything to do with the Civil War. The prejudice against Northerner's are leftover impressions by those who did live there in the 1860's that have been passed down as part of the culture and today's southerner's are parroting like they lived it themselves. Of course don't point this out to them because this logic will cause them to bite your head off.

The General Lee statues in essence were erected to flip the bird at blacks and northerner's alike. Now don't get me wrong Lee was a brilliant General but c'mon now we know why they were put up and now it's time to get over the past and put it into context. The Lee statues should be taken down where inappropriate and put where they are appropriate. A few should be left right where they are to clearly mark and be labeled as racist and rebellious examples of the evolution of the USA after the war. They are part history although and not a flattering part as they were meant to continue the rebellion and intimidate anyone with abolitionist idea's as a sign that those community's still lived by the old ways.

The same thing can be applied to blacks. They look at me and automatically think "cracka". My family never owned slaves. Half my family was in Europe and the other half fought for the Union which freed their ancestors. Yet for some illogical reason they view me as the enemy and think I owe them reparations even though they themselves were never slaves and all who were owner and slave are all dead. Their illogical and prejudicial argument is based solely on the color of my skin. I have a dream that my family will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have no doubt that the person in the presented article felt like he was behind enemy lines because that's the sick mentality that's prevalent below the Mason Dixon line. I say sick because if the Sons of Confederate Veterans, KKK,Nazi's and other white supremacist groups had their way they would enslave and kill anyone who wasn't white. That's the view the rest of the country is getting of the South because that's what they are willingly associating with in 2017. That said ANTIFA is just as bad as the people they protest against. They might as well Heil Hitler because they're proving themselves to be no better in tactic's and deeds. ANTIFA,KKK,Nazi's,you're all cut from the same cloth.
The civil war is still going on, rekindled by Democrat hate for a Republican President. Just as the southern Democrats of the 1860's found the election of Abraham Lincoln intolerable, so too contemporary Democrats engage in blind resistance to President Trump. Instead of uniformed armies on the battlefield the contemporary civil war is fought by Democrat sanctioned mobs in the street and high tech lynchings in the media.

The issue of slavery in the US was long ago settled on the battlefield. Segregation by law, another Democrat creation, was defeated by Constitutional amendment. But the so-called party of tolerance insists we must support the violent mob attacking protesters and pulling down statues that have stood for decades if not a century or more. Anyone opposing this mob rule or pointing out their violence is condemned as racist.

It would be incredibly naive to assume the Democrat sanctioned mob justice will end with purging civil war statues all of American history will be tried and most be found wanting, requiring purging by any means necessary.
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I'll be the first to admit I don't get Southerner's. Over the last 10 years on line and from my own personal experience they seem to think the war is still going on. It's part of the reason I left my last board, I got tired of being treated like I was the enemy. Now you might say that it's scars left behind by the war and you''d be partially right. The inconvenient logic Southerner's hate to hear is many of the Whites in the south didn't even have there families in the USA at the time of the war. Their families were still over in Europe in the 1860's, never owned slaves and never had anything to do with the Civil War. The prejudice against Northerner's are leftover impressions by those who did live there in the 1860's that have been passed down as part of the culture and today's southerner's are parroting like they lived it themselves. Of course don't point this out to them because this logic will cause them to bite your head off.

The General Lee statues in essence were erected to flip the bird at blacks and northerner's alike. Now don't get me wrong Lee was a brilliant General but c'mon now we know why they were put up and now it's time to get over the past and put it into context. The Lee statues should be taken down where inappropriate and put where they are appropriate. A few should be left right where they are to clearly mark and be labeled as racist and rebellious examples of the evolution of the USA after the war. They are part history although and not a flattering part as they were meant to continue the rebellion and intimidate anyone with abolitionist idea's as a sign that those community's still lived by the old ways.

The same thing can be applied to blacks. They look at me and automatically think "cracka". My family never owned slaves. Half my family was in Europe and the other half fought for the Union which freed their ancestors. Yet for some illogical reason they view me as the enemy and think I owe them reparations even though they themselves were never slaves and all who were owner and slave are all dead. Their illogical and prejudicial argument is based solely on the color of my skin. I have a dream that my family will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have no doubt that the person in the presented article felt like he was behind enemy lines because that's the sick mentality that's prevalent below the Mason Dixon line. I say sick because if the Sons of Confederate Veterans, KKK,Nazi's and other white supremacist groups had their way they would enslave and kill anyone who wasn't white. That's the view the rest of the country is getting of the South because that's what they are willingly associating with in 2017. That said ANTIFA is just as bad as the people they protest against. They might as well Heil Hitler because they're proving themselves to be no better in tactic's and deeds. ANTIFA,KKK,Nazi's,you're all cut from the same cloth.
Interesting POV.

I was born, and spent 40 years of my life north of the Mason-Dixon line, in New Jersey. 17 years ago, I move south to Tennessee.

I've yet to be diss'ed, called a 'cracka', threatened, or even felt threatened, unlike when I was up north, and dealt with people on a daily basis, who were just too damn good for the rest of the world.

Racists are not just in the South, far from it. My father was one of the worst I knew, and he lived in NJ. Reasons while I nearly choke when people make that statement.

I don't know you BR, so I can't begin to guess what you have or have not experienced, but since I have lived both North and South, I'll take the South. I've never met anyone who spewed the racist drivel that the neo-Nazis promote, nor the immature, shallow, uniformed crap that the 'AntiFa' put forth. I have up North.

I have been treated as a normal human being, regardless of my political and my religious views. Of course, I do occasionally get the 'well bless your heart' statement, but it's a far step from the nasty vitriol I've experienced up North.

I believe in the preservation of history, and the acknowledgement of those who lived and died, not only in the Revolution, but in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Viet Nam and any and all other 'wars' were people died standing up for what they believed in.

Does that make me "Racist'? Unfortunately, according to some.
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