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By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Tuesday, August 8, 2017

U.S. Rep. Yvette Clarke has vowed to keep fighting after the Army shot down a proposal to rename two streets honoring Confederate generals at New York City’s Fort Hamilton.

General Lee Ave. and Stonewall Jackson Drive at the Brooklyn base, named after Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson, represent “an inextricable part of our military history,” the Army wrote in response to Ms. Clarke, who received the letter over the weekend, the New York Daily News reported.

Diane Randon, the Army’s acting assistant chief of staff for Installation Management, reportedly wrote that the streets were named in the spirit of reconciliation, and that any effort to rename them would be “controversial and divisive.”

Ms. Clarke said the monuments are “deeply offensive” to Brooklyn residents and that they should be left in the past where they belong.

The department claims that the streets were named ‘in the spirit of reconciliation.’ But that ‘reconciliation’ was actually complicity by the North and the South to ignore the interests of African Americans and enforce white supremacy, effectively denying the result of the Civil War for generations,” the Democrat said in a statement Monday. “The department describes any possible renaming of these streets as potentially controversial. Nonsense.

“These monuments are deeply offensive to the hundreds of thousands of Brooklyn residents and members of the armed forces stationed at Fort Hamilton whose ancestors Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson fought to hold in slavery,” she continued. “For too many years, the United States has refused to reckon with that history. I commend the City of New Orleans for initiating this important and often difficult work. I will continue to petition the Department of the Army to contribute to that effort.
Ms. Clarke added in a tweet that the “fight isn’t over yet.”

Ms. Clarke first petitioned the Army in June along with a handful of fellow Democrats, including Rep. Jerrold Nadler. Their letter came weeks after New Orleans removed four Confederate memorials after the city council deemed them a public nuisance.
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Good for them.

When peace is made between opposing nations, encapsulated into their agreements is often the respectful preservation History, Honor and Identity. It is an insult to those who forged the peace to alter those understandings. As well as the progeny that also respects and honors them.

A statue of General Lee reminds us of the conflict, the motivations of it, and the honor of those who resolved the dispute at a cost of thousand and thousands of American lives. It does no service to anyone past or present, to hide or remove the evidence of that cathartic time in our nation's birth and eventual maturity.

And those who propose we do so are obviously unaware, by choice or ignorance, of what sacrifice was made so that they could actually, albeit eventually, be free.

As for General Lee and Stonewall Jackson, there biggest crimes seem to be fighting Indians and owning slaves. Is General Washington and Thomas Jefferson to be next on the hit list?
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Good for them.

When peace is made between opposing nations, encapsulated into their agreements is often the preservation History, honor and identity. It is an insult to those who forged the peace to alter those understandings. As well as the progeny that also honors them.

A statue of General Lee reminds us of the conflict, the motivations of it, and the honor of those who resolved the dispute at a cost of thousand and thousands of American lives. It does no service to anyone past or present, to hide or remove the evidence of that cathartic time in our nation's birth and eventual maturity.

And those who propose we do so are obviously unaware, by choice or ignorance, of what sacrifice was made so that they could actually, albeit eventually, be free.
Those that are 'deeply offended' obviously don't know their history, and want to make sure future generations don't know it either.

Slavery was not the cause of the war, it was an existing condition during the war.
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Those that are 'deeply offended' obviously don't know their history, and want to make sure future generations don't know it either.

Slavery was not the cause of the war, it was an existing condition during the war.
Slavery is also 150 years behind us. If we must forget those who forged the nation, why can we not forget those times and who were freed by it. The Democrats, who spent over 100 of those years trying to contain those who were freed, now place that guilt on those who did the honorable deed of freeing them. That argument only lives if the evidence is removed.

So,,,;Change the history Take down the monuments.

Do we save the evils of our history and ignore the resolution? For what purpose??/ My guess would be the convenience provided to an otherwise vacuous political agenda.
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Clarke needs to shove a bag of prunes up her ass and shut up.
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Most Americans believe the Statue of Liberty was inspired by our immigration record of the late 1800's NOPE.

In reality it was inspired by the Union victory (remember, republican led) and evolution of our nation away from a slave supported economy. It was conceived by a French staunch abolitionist.

[B]According to the National Park Service, the idea for the Statue of Liberty was first proposed by Édouard René de Laboulaye the president of the French Anti-Slavery Society and a prominent and important political thinker of his time. The project is traced to a mid-1865 conversation between Édouard René de Laboulaye, a staunch abolitionist and Frédéric Bartholdi, a sculptor. In after-dinner conversation at his home near Versailles, Laboulaye, an ardent supporter of the Union in the American Civil War, is supposed to have said: "If a monument should rise in the United States, as a memorial to their independence, I should think it only natural if it were built by united effort—a common work of both our nations."[7] The National Park Service, in a 2000 report, however, deemed this a legend traced to an 1885 fundraising pamphlet, and that the statue was most likely conceived in 1870.[8] In another essay on their website, the Park Service suggested that Laboulaye was minded to honor the Union victory and its consequences, "With the abolition of slavery and the Union's victory in the Civil War in 1865, Laboulaye's wishes of freedom and democracy were turning into a reality in the United States. In order to honor these achievements, Laboulaye proposed that a gift be built for the United States on behalf of France. Laboulaye hoped that by calling attention to the recent achievements of the United States, the French people would be inspired to call for their own democracy in the face of a repressive monarchy."[9][/B
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So what's next? The Battle flag of Northern Virginia is no longer flown over Northern Virginia Battlefields. Millions of dollars worth of valuable art work has been turned into bowling trophies. And the world is a better place because?

Richmond so far has been pretty much off the radar, but Richmond has the most to lose. What has been called the most beautiful city street in the US is currently being "reviewed". One problem is that Maury and Ash are also there and the final resting place of at least one general.

We also have the finest collection of Confederate Memorabilia anywhere. At Lees house. Dozens of battlefields. Must these go as well? As well as a cemetery with thousands of civil war veterans as well as more Presidents than any other.
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We also have the finest collection of Confederate Memorabilia anywhere. At Lees house. Dozens of battlefields. Must these go as well? As well as a cemetery with thousands of civil war veterans as well as more Presidents than any other.
No to all those questions. We may simply tell the snowflakes to BLOW IT OUT THEIR ASSES!
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So what's next? The Battle flag of Northern Virginia is no longer flown over Northern Virginia Battlefields. Millions of dollars worth of valuable art work has been turned into bowling trophies. And the world is a better place because?

Richmond so far has been pretty much off the radar, but Richmond has the most to lose. What has been called the most beautiful city street in the US is currently being "reviewed". One problem is that Maury and Ash are also there and the final resting place of at least one general.

We also have the finest collection of Confederate Memorabilia anywhere. At Lees house. Dozens of battlefields. Must these go as well? As well as a cemetery with thousands of civil war veterans as well as more Presidents than any other.
We don't revere Lee because he fought for slavery. We respect him because he honorably fought for Constitutionally guaranteed states rights. And when the battle was over, he honorably surrendered and accepted the new order of our nation.
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We don't revere Lee because he fought for slavery. We respect him because he honorably fought for Constitutionally guaranteed states rights. And when the battle was over, he honorably surrendered and accepted the new order of our nation.
That just doesn't fit the agenda of certain groups wanting to not only demonize parts of the country and it's history, but to provide a basis for the righteous compensation for a 'wronged' people.

They are leaving out a few nationalities in their attempts, but they aren't the currently favored groups of the moment.
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