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Good, I hope the ACLU fights this hard. What a disservice to those who wear the uniform who happen to be trans.
What a disservice to those who wear the uniformed who happen to be mentally unstable. Those confused individuals need mental help, and all you rainbow shltters with visions of equality for all regardless, put a cork in it.


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Good, I hope the ACLU fights this hard. What a disservice to those who wear the uniform who happen to be trans.
Should they fight equally hard for all those who wish to serve but happen to be schizophrenic? Happen to be kleptomaniacs? How about if a person thinks he's a deer? Or Joan of Arc?

Sorry, but an untreated mental illness should and generally does disqualify a person from military service.
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Should they fight equally hard for all those who wish to serve but happen to be schizophrenic? Happen to be kleptomaniacs? How about if a person thinks he's a deer? Or Joan of Arc?

Sorry, but an untreated mental illness should and generally does disqualify a person from military service.
Oh thank goodness you sophistry is going into the bowels of history.
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Damn shame it couldn't have been a father / son event. IMHO.
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One might argue that Transgender's are just another form of BIID/BDD. They feel the offending appendage should be removed and transformed to feel normal. Clearly the person is unhappy and has underlying issues. This goes beyond being gay which is a sexual preference and shouldn't prevent a person serving. Transgenders can't accept their own physical state for what it is. In any other form it would be said they need therapy. If a person has multiple plastic surgery's to make themselves perfect or to look like a cat or Barbie most people would recognize the mental instability of that individual. We shouldn't give a free pass to Transgenders because it's PC to do so.


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Body integrity identity disorder (BIID, also referred to as amputee identity disorder)[1] is a psychological disorder in which an otherwise healthy individual feels that one is likened to others who are clearly, obviously disabled because of amputation in the latter case.[2][3][4][5][6] BIID is related to xenomelia, "the dysphoric feeling that one or more limbs of one's body do not belong to one's self".[7]

BIID is typically accompanied by the desire to amputate one or more healthy limbs.
It also includes the desire for other forms of disability, as in the case of a woman who intentionally blinded herself.[2] BIID can be associated with apotemnophilia, sexual arousal based on the image of one's self as an amputee. The cause of BIID is unknown. One hypothesis states that it results from a neurological failing of the brain's inner body mapping function (located in the right parietal lobe) to incorporate the affected limb in its understanding of the body's physical form.[8]

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Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD) is a mental disorder characterized by an obsessive preoccupation that some aspect of one's own appearance is severely flawed and warrants exceptional measures to hide or fix it.[1] In BDD's delusional variant, the flaw is imagined.[2] If the flaw is actual, its importance is severely exaggerated.[2] Either way, one's thoughts about it are pervasive and intrusive, occupying up to several hours a day. The DSM-5 categorizes BDD in the obsessive–compulsive spectrum, and distinguishes it from anorexia nervosa.

BDD is estimated to affect up to 2.4% of the population.[2] It usually starts during adolescence, and affects men and women roughly equally.[2][3] The BDD subtype muscle dysmorphia, perceiving the body as too small, affects mostly males.[4] Besides thinking about it, one repetitively checks and compares the perceived flaw, and can adopt unusual routines to avoid social contact that exposes it.[2] Fearing the stigma of vanity, one usually hides the preoccupation.[2] Commonly unsuspected even by psychiatrists, BDD has been greatly underdiagnosed.[2] Severely impairing quality of life via educational and occupational dysfunction and social isolation, BDD involves especially high rates of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts.[2]
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I'm going to go out on a limb here even though it's obvious I'm in the minority ... I actually disagree with Trump on this one. Until there is actual real EVIDENCE that trans people are bad for the military, they shouldn't be prevented. I have yet to see any. Sorry, that's just the reality of the situation.

You guys keep making the argument 'mental illness' here. Even if it were a mental illness, do you not realize there are already a LOT of people in the military that are mentally ill???
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I'm going to go out on a limb here even though it's obvious I'm in the minority ... I actually disagree with Trump on this one. Until there is actual real EVIDENCE that trans people are bad for the military, they shouldn't be prevented. I have yet to see any. Sorry, that's just the reality of the situation.

You guys keep making the argument 'mental illness' here. Even if it were a mental illness, do you not realize there are already a LOT of people in the military that are mentally ill???

Assessing the Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html
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It's politics, has nothing to do with cost or somehow hampering the readiness of the military.

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Just spoke to a Trump administration official about the transgender military decision. Here's what they said...



https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/st...02683721863168
Basically what happened with the NC bathroom laws. The right passes silly laws aimed against transgender Americans, which means the left has to fight against them.

Then the right creates a narrative that the left wing is trying to force gender politics into law, when it was them that picked the fight in the first place.

It's pretty f-cked.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here even though it's obvious I'm in the minority ... I actually disagree with Trump on this one. Until there is actual real EVIDENCE that trans people are bad for the military, they shouldn't be prevented. I have yet to see any. Sorry, that's just the reality of the situation.

You guys keep making the argument 'mental illness' here. Even if it were a mental illness, do you not realize there are already a LOT of people in the military that are mentally ill???
I'm not so sure that the decision makers absolutely considered the mental illness aspect. Mental illness diagnoses are at best, spurious. Instead, the question might be; Does the expense, effort, and headaches make our force more lethal?

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"After consulting with the service chiefs and secretaries, I have determined that it is necessary to defer the start of accessions for six months," Mattis said in a memo that was sent Friday to the service chiefs and secretaries and was obtained by The Associated Press. "We will use this additional time to evaluate more carefully the impact of such accessions on readiness and lethality."

In the memo, Mattis said he believes the department must measure "each policy decision against one standard" whether it affects the ability of the military to defend the nation.
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WASHINGTON, July 26 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would not allow transgender individuals to serve in the U.S. military in any capacity.
"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow ... Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump wrote on Twitter.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017

https://www.voanews.com/a/trump-bans...y/3959644.html
I know it's too much the expect President Trump to understand that the government cannot "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14.html

There's only one part of the US Constitution that "The Donald" pledged to support and that's Article XII(?) and that must be true because he sure as hell doesn't care about any other part of the Constitution.

So it's back to the federal courts where there will be a preliminary injunction issued against this unconstitutional discrimination. The Appeals Courts will support the federal judge's decision and eventually, if Trump presses the issue, it will go to the US Supreme Court that will bitch-slap Trump and tell him that he can't impose invidious discrimination under the Constitution.

I must ask why would anyone oppose equal protection under the law? I'm with John McCain on this issue. The person's gender identity has absolutely nothing to do with how good of a soldier they are.
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You guys keep making the argument 'mental illness' here. Even if it were a mental illness, do you not realize there are already a LOT of people in the military that are mentally ill???
Yes, and they should be weeded out and treated accordingly.
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