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If you were the child's parent I'd bow your decision.
the thing is YOUR NOT.
And neither is "HUMAN RIGHTS COURT" and Judge.

GEZZ "HUMAN RIGHTS COURT" more Orwellian BSery.
"Parents have NO RIGHTS court" is what it is.
the court has declared itself KING.
If they've overridden the will of the parents and doctors willing to help.

the State is force.
I swear Anarchy looks better everyday.
yes if I was parent. so let the family wallow in self pity. If it makes them feel better, gives them closure. NOT
This is about one human unable to speak for himself. I say don't TORTURE him in order for the parents to feel better.
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yes if I was parent. so let the family wallow in self pity. If it makes them feel better, gives them closure. NOT
This is about one human unable to speak for himself. I say don't TORTURE him in order for the parents to feel better.
Let the Child Die when the Parents still have HOPE is what you're saying here.
I think they've walked in grief for sometime now SAlt.

wallowing in the fact that thier child is sick and in pain. And the fact they DO NOT have the right to try and help her the best way they know how.

Because people like yourself think they know better. And Don't really believe in personal freedom, Individual, Parental or Human Rights.
It seems you really believe the STATE should make all the important decisions.
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Granny says, "Dat's right - the Donald tryin' to save a dying baby boy...

Trump offers help to Charlie Gard, terminally ill British baby at centre of court battle
Tuesday 4th July, 2017 - Trump and the pope have spoken out in support of the infant after European courts decided that he could be removed from life support against his parents' wishes
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President Donald Trump and the Vatican have spoken out in support of Charlie Gard, a terminally ill British infant whose case has captured worldwide attention after European courts decided that he could be removed from life support against his parents’ wishes. Pope Francis said on Twitter that “to defend human life, above all when it is wounded by illness, is a duty of love that God entrusts to all.” The Italian news agency ANSA reported Monday that officials at a Vatican-owned Italian hospital will ask their counterparts at London’s Great Ormond Street Hospital whether 10-month-old Charlie can be moved from that facility to Rome. On Monday, Trump tweeted about the case, writing that the United States “would be delighted to” help. “If we can help little #CharlieGard, as per our friends in the U.K. and the Pope, we would be delighted to do so.” It’s unclear how the U.S. government would be able to assist.

According to ANSA, Bambino Gesù Hospital President Mariella Enoc said Monday, “We know that it is a desperate case and that there are no effective therapies.” Enoc added: “We are close to the parents in prayer and, if this is their desire, willing to take their child, for the time he has left to live.” Vatican spokesman Greg Burke, who retweeted the pope’s remarks with the hashtag #CharlieGard, said in a statement that Francis has called for Charlie’s parents to be able to care for him until his death. “The Holy Father follows with affection and emotion the case of little Charlie Gard and expresses his own closeness to his parents,” the statement read, according to Vatican Radio. “For them he prays, hoping that their desire to accompany and care for their own child to the end is not ignored.”


Charlie Gard at Great Ormond Street Hospital, in London

Charlie, who will be 11 months old on July 4, has a rare genetic condition and resulting brain damage that has robbed him of his ability to move his arms and legs, eat or even breathe on his own. British courts decided that the boy should be allowed to die after a heartbreaking legal battle in which doctors asserted that the child had no chance of survival. His parents argued that there was an experimental treatment in the United States they had not tried. The case was taken all the way to the European Court of Human Rights, which declined to hear the matter last week, upholding previous court rulings that it was in Charlie’s best interest to withdraw life support.

Charlie’s story swept the globe as his parents, Chris Gard and Connie Yates, expressed devastation that they had no say in their son’s life or how and when he would die. They appeared on video late last week, sobbing and saying their son would be removed from life support Friday and would take his last breaths at the hospital. “He’d fight to the very end, but we’re not allowed to fight for him anymore,” Gard said in the video statement. “We can’t even take our own son home to die.” The parents said the hospital would not give them time to let family members say goodbye. When asked about those claims, the hospital said it could not comment on specific details in the case.


The parents of terminally-ill baby boy Charlie Gard lost the final stage of their legal battle

But Friday, the parents said doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital had decided to postpone Charlie’s removal from life support. “We have been in talks today with Great Ormond Street and they have agreed to give us a little bit more time with Charlie,” Yates told the Daily Mail. “We are really grateful for all the support from the public at this extremely difficult time. We’re making precious memories that we can treasure forever with very heavy hearts. Please respect our privacy while we prepare to say the final goodbye to our son Charlie.”

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Despite big offers, little has changed for baby Charlie Gard
Jul 4,`17: The president of the United States has offered to help. The pope is willing to have the Vatican hospital take him in. Some 1.3 million pounds ($1.68 million) have been raised to help him leave Britain for treatment.
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But little has changed Tuesday for Charlie Gard, a terminally-ill British infant suffering from a rare genetic disease that has left him severely brain damaged.

The child is at the center of a global crusade to have him treated in the United States with a trial therapy. Hospital specialists have said the experimental therapy won't help. Three British courts have ruled it's in Charlie's best interests to be allowed to die with dignity.

Parents Chris Gard and Connie Yates are spending time with their son before his life-support is turned off.

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Charlie Gard case to be given another hearing...

Parents still fighting for Charlie Gard's treatment
Monday 10th July, 2017 — The British parents of a terminally ill baby, facing another court hearing on his condition and care, said Sunday they are hopeful he will receive the experimental treatment that previous rulings have prevented.
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"If he's still fighting, we're still fighting," said Connie Yates, the mother of 11-month-old Charlie Gard. Yates and Charlie's father, Chris Gard, spoke outside London's Great Ormond Street Hospital, where the baby is in intensive care and on life support. The baby's parents have received support from Pope Francis and U.S. President Donald Trump, but Charlie's future remains in the hands of British courts charged with determining what is best for him. "He's our son, he's our flesh and blood. We feel that it should be our right as parents to decide to give him a chance at life," Yates, carrying a petition signed by some 350,000 people supporting the couple's quest, said. "There is nothing to lose, he deserves a chance."

The complex case appeared to have reached its end last month, when the European Court of Human Rights refused to overturn British court rulings barring Charlie from traveling to the United States for treatment. The hospital intended to turn off life support systems in favor of "palliative" care designed to ease any pain the baby might be experiencing. But the case took a surprise turn when researchers at the Vatican's children's hospital, which has offered to treat Charlie, said new information suggested that the experimental treatment sought by the parents might be effective.

That prompted the hospital to seek another High Court ruling. A hearing where the new medical information is likely to be examined is expected to take place Monday. Clinicians from the Vatican's Bambino Gesu pediatric hospital's neurosciences department said tests in mice and patients with a similar, but not identical, genetic condition as Charlie had shown significant improvement is possible. At present, the boy isn't able to breathe unaided. He has a rare inherited mitochondrial disease that has affected many of his vital organs and left him with brain damage.

An online campaign to send Charlie to the U.S. for treatment has raised more than 1.3 million pounds ($1.7 million). A U.S. hospital has offered to ship the drug needed for the therapy to Britain for Charlie. Unless the next hearing produces a change, previous court decisions bar the hospital from allowing Charlie to be taken elsewhere for treatment. Britain's government won't play a role in deciding the future course of Charlie's treatment, an official said Sunday. Justice Secretary David Lidington said the decision will be made by judges acting "independently and dispassionately" based on the facts of the case.

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Charlie Gard comin' to America...

Judge Rules Against London Hospital--In Favor of Charlie Gard's Parents
July 10, 2017 | A judge at London's High Court ruled against the hospital and in favor of the parents of baby Charlie Gard--who is suffering from a rare genetic disorder--that they may present new scientific evidence concerning their son's treatment, which will be reviewed this Thursday and could possibly lead to Charlie receiving treatment in the United States. But the outcome is still uncertain and Charlie's fate is precarious.
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Charlie Gard is 10 months old. He lives on life support in the Great Ormond Street Hospital in London. His genetic disorder is destructive to muscles and organs, and most people who have the problem die in infancy. The baby's parents, Chris Gard and Connie Yates, want their son to undergo an experimental treatment, which has been helpful in some cases. An online campaign has raised more than $1.5 million for the baby's treament.


Under the health care laws in Britain, however, the parents are not allowed to pursue this option. The hospital contends Charlie is brain-damaged and beyond medical hope, and the hospital wants to shut off his life support. This denial of the parent's desire to seek treatment for their son elsewhere led to several court rulings -- in favor of the hospital. On Monday, July 10, the judge who previously ruled against the Gards agreed to review whatever new evience they can present to him for a reevaluation. “The Great Ormond Street Hospital requested Mr. Justice Francis to reaffirm his prior ruling," Americans United for Life President Catherine Glenn Foster told CNSNews.com from London. "So they argued for him to say that, indeed, there is no new evidence and that they were free to remove Charlie’s [life] support." "He refused to do that today," said Foster. "He found in favor of the family, and announced that there would be a hearing, a full-day hearing on this matter on Thursday, continuing into Friday as needed. And Charlie’s parents and their barristers will get a chance to present the new medical evidence in court.”


AUL President and CEO Catherine Glenn Foster

Last Thursday, several researchers, clinicians, and a U.S. doctor sent a letter to the Great Ormond Street Hospital explaining that there is evidence that an experimental "deoxynucleoside therapy" could potentially help Charlie Gard. As reported by the BBC, "Signatories to the new letter include a neurologist and a research fellow from Rome Children's Hospital, a scientist from Cambridge University's Mitochondrial Biology Unit and two researchers from Vall d'Hebron Institut de Recerca in Barcelona." As reported by the BBC, "Signatories to the new letter include a neurologist and a research fellow from Rome Children's Hospital, a scientist from Cambridge University's Mitochondrial Biology Unit and two researchers from Vall d'Hebron Institut de Recerca in Barcelona." The AUL's Catherine Glenn Foster was asked by Charlie's mother, Connie Yates, to come to London and advocate for her family. The AUL is the legal arm of the pro-life movement, and fights "for legal protection of life from conception to natural death," states the group's website.


Foster told CNSNews.com that Charlie Gard's parents prefer that their son go to the United States for treatment. "We’re talking about world-class hospitals, first in the field, and that is what they prefer," she said. "And they’re asking that Charlie be treated in the way that they think is best but also in the way that many doctors and hospitals [think] is best.” If there is a ruling in favor of the parents, baby Charlie could be treated at several different facilities in the United Sattes, including New York Presbyterian Hospital and the Columbia University Medical Center. The hospital at the Vatican has also offered to take Charlie in for treatment. The procedure is fairly simple as the medicine is put into milk and the baby drinks it.

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Charlie Gard has been given a second chance. An American specialist is scheduled to fly to Britain next week to assess the terminally-ill infant’s condition. The judge who will decide Charlie’s fate has promised to withhold his judgment until he hears the evidence gathered by the specialist, Dr, Michio Hirano, a famed neurologist at New York’s Columbia University Medical Center

“The…day President Donald Trump tweeted to his 33.7 million followers that he would be ‘delighted’ to help Charlie, and the saga reached an entirely new audience. Suddenly, the case of Charlie Gard was being discussed in churches and by socially conservative groups across the U.S.,” TIME reports.

Multiple pro-life organizations began fighting for Charlie after they read the president’s tweet. The Susan B. Anthony List, March for Life, Concerned Women of America and Americans United for Life held a joint press conference urging their supporters to “Save Charlie Gard.”

If Trump hadn’t involved himself the case, it’s possible that the British court system would never have agreed to a fresh hearing. The extraordinary amount of public pressure that both the court and the hospital are under might have influenced their decision to let Dr. Hirano examine the baby.
You can read more of this story here: https://conservativedailypost.com/am...eid=db76d4b148
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Charlie Gard represents and embarrassment to socialized medicine everywhere. It is unlikely, despite hope and evidence to the contrary that the UK will let him come to America. And many American medical professional, will likely argue against it for the same reason.

I hope for the sake of young Charlie, modern medicine, and humanity in general, that this purely bureaucratic hurdle can be overcome.
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Charlie Gard represents and embarrassment to socialized medicine everywhere.
And even worse is that the courts (and anyone who wants socialized medicine) actually have to root for his death...If he lives, the embarrassment will be 1000-fold...
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You guys are just damn near crazy. You know how many babies and others have died here over the years without getting experimental drugs? And probably for good reason. The RW going silly over UHC being skeered...
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You guys are just damn near crazy. You know how many babies and others have died here over the years without getting experimental drugs?
But this is the first where "not getting experimental drugs" was a mandatory rule by the courts...
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