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While the Trump Administration has instituted a policy of mass deportation that has increased the number of arrests by ICE of "non-criminal" aliens by 150% from the prior Obama Administration the actual number of deportations under the Trump administration has declined.

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has arrested more than 41,300 undocumented immigrants in the 100 days since President Trump signed a pair of executive orders tightening border security and cracking down on sanctuary cities, ICE reported Wednesday. This represents a 38 percent increase from the same time period in 2016, when ICE arrested slightly more than 30,000 undocumented immigrants.

According to Wednesday’s report, nearly 75 percent of undocumented immigrants arrested between January 22 and April 29 are convicted criminals, marking a 20 percent increase in these types of arrests since 2016. Just 2,700 of these convictions were for violent crimes, including homicide, rape, kidnapping, and assault.
While the Obama Administration's focus was on criminal aliens that represented a threat to the public safety under the Trump administration any criminal conviction, such as using a fake social security card number to obtain a job, is being used to justify the arrest. As noted out of over 40,000 arrests only 2,700, or less than 7%, represented a threat to the public safety under Trump's executive order.

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Meanwhile, arrests of undocumented immigrants whose only crime is living illegally in the U.S. have risen by an even greater margin. Between January 22 and April 29, ICE conducted around 10,800 “non-criminal arrests,” compared to just 4,200 in 2016—an increase of more than 150 percent.

In February, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly released two memos describing how Trump’s executive orders would be enforced in the U.S. According to Wednesday’s ICE report, Kelly “has made it clear that ICE will no longer exempt any class of individuals from removal proceedings if they are found to be in the country illegally.”
The result was predictable.

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Despite these new security measures, Homan told reporters that deportations have actually declined by 12 percent under the Trump administration.
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...s-down/527103/

It really wasn't "despite these new security measures" but instead because of the new mass deportation policies of the Trump Administration that the actual number of deportations is down. Simply arresting any undocumented aliens drives administrative court hearings before deportation can occur and the immigration courts have been over-loaded for years.

It was the Obama administrations knowledge of how the government works that allowed him to make the best possible decisions to maximize the resources available to enforce our immigration laws. His focus on actual threats to our safety while not wasting limited resources on those illegal immigrants that didn't represent a threat resulted in more deportations of those that we really want out of the country. Ignorance by Trump and the White House is wasting the resources and the results are suffering because of Trump's ignorance.

We're "less safe" under Trump and "fewer people" are being deported.
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While the Trump Administration has instituted a policy of mass deportation that has increased the number of arrests by ICE of "non-criminal" aliens by 150% from the prior Obama Administration the actual number of deportations under the Trump administration has declined.



While the Obama Administration's focus was on criminal aliens that represented a threat to the public safety under the Trump administration any criminal conviction, such as using a fake social security card number to obtain a job, is being used to justify the arrest. As noted out of over 40,000 arrests only 2,700, or less than 7%, represented a threat to the public safety under Trump's executive order.



The result was predictable.


https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...s-down/527103/

It really wasn't "despite these new security measures" but instead because of the new mass deportation policies of the Trump Administration that the actual number of deportations is down. Simply arresting any undocumented aliens drives administrative court hearings before deportation can occur and the immigration courts have been over-loaded for years.

It was the Obama administrations knowledge of how the government works that allowed him to make the best possible decisions to maximize the resources available to enforce our immigration laws. His focus on actual threats to our safety while not wasting limited resources on those illegal immigrants that didn't represent a threat resulted in more deportations of those that we really want out of the country. Ignorance by Trump and the White House is wasting the resources and the results are suffering because of Trump's ignorance.

We're "less safe" under Trump and "fewer people" are being deported.
According to the OP nearly 75% of the arrests were criminal illegal aliens. That is hardly a "mass deportation of any illegal aliens" . The remaining 25% of arrests of supposedly law abiding illegal aliens are in keeping with the policy of no longer creating groups of illegals exempt from the law.

Once again we see the idea of illegal aliens being exempted from deportation for so called nonviolent crimes. What is left conveniently unmentioned is that nonviolent crime includes offenses like DWI and identity theft. These so-called non violent offenders are even rhetorically included in the catagory of law abiding illegal aliens.

Newly arrived illegal aliens are more likely to agree to be deported than long time illegal residents. It stands to reason that someone who has gotten a job using a stolen Social Security number, secured an income with food stamps and other welfare, enrolled their kids in public schools, even managed to vote in the absence of voter ID laws would be resistant to being deported. Under Trump's policy of enforcing immigration laws illegal border crossings are down 70% which explains the decrease in deportations.
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Government deportations are down because SELF-deportations are way up...
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Must be because there isn't a wall in the way.
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Government deportations are down because SELF-deportations are way up...
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Must be because there isn't a wall in the way.
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According to the OP nearly 75% of the arrests were criminal illegal aliens. That is hardly a "mass deportation of any illegal aliens" . The remaining 25% of arrests of supposedly law abiding illegal aliens are in keeping with the policy of no longer creating groups of illegals exempt from the law.

Once again we see the idea of illegal aliens being exempted from deportation for so called nonviolent crimes. What is left conveniently unmentioned is that nonviolent crime includes offenses like all DWI and identity theft. These so-called non violent offenders are even rhetorically included in the catagory of law abiding illegal aliens.
The identity theft referred to is the use of someone else's SSN that causes no harm to the person that's SSN is used. In fact the Social Security taxes collected are recorded to the person's SS account that can actually increase their SS payments in the future. They can actually benefit financially from the use of their SSN by the illegal alien that used their SSN.

Yes, a DWI can also be a felony but this only applies to DWI's where there wasn't an accident that caused harm and where the offense was typically not repeated. Many of the "convictions" were based upon a plea bargain where the undocumented alien was told they'd be allowed to stay and the deportation is a violation of the plea bargain agreement. The deportation effectively vacates the conviction.

Yes, the Obama Administration did allow some "criminals" that weren't a threat to remain in the country, as long as they didn't break the law again, so that it could maximize the number of deportations of criminals that are a public threat. Trump isn't doing that so a lot of "criminal" aliens that aren't a public threat are being arrested now but not deported because their case has to go back before the immigration courts. Instead of them being on the outside working, earning a living, and paying taxes they're being held in over-crowded facilities, preventing the arrests of other "criminal" aliens that are a threat because of a lack of facilities, and the taxpayers are supporting them. Nice waste of taxpayer money.

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Newly arrived illegal aliens are more likely to agree to be deported than long time illegal residents. It stands to reason that someone who has gotten a job using a stolen Social Security number, secured an income with food stamps and other welfare, enrolled their kids in public schools, even managed to vote in the absence of voter ID laws would be resistant to being deported. Under Trump's policy of enforcing immigration laws illegal border crossings are down 70% which explains the decrease in deportations.
The deportation of newly arrived aliens was a high priority for the Obama Administration second only to arresting and deporting criminal aliens that represented a serious threat to the public safety. Nothing has changed between Obama and Trump when it comes to arresting and deporting new arrivals in the United States.
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Must be because there isn't a wall in the way.
Niiiiiice...

But deportations are also down because there's less illegals to catch and deport...

Trump’s immigration enforcement helps slow illegal border crossings by 76%

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Illegal immigration across the southwestern border is down a stunning 76 percent since President Trump was elected, with the flow of children and families dropping even faster as analysts say the administration’s commitment to enforcing the law has changed the reality along the border.

Overall apprehensions by the Border Patrol dropped to just 11,129 in April, according to numbers released Tuesday, marking the lowest monthly total for any month in decades.

The number of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children nabbed at the border dropped below 1,000 — a level not seen since before the surge that bedeviled President Obama during most of his second term.

Even before a foot of Mr. Trump’s planned border wall is built or any more agents are hired, the threat of being sent home has forced would-be migrants to rethink making the journey, officials said.
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Government deportations are down because SELF-deportations are way up...
We're being flooded with new "undocumented" immigrants that are flying into to the country by the hundreds of thousands every year where they become visa over-stays after arrival. Trump and Republicans don't seem to be concerned because the two highest percentages by nationalities are Canadian and German. No efforts by ICE are targeting these recent undocumented aliens apparently because they're "White Protestant Christians" and not "Mexicans" (Hispanics).
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Niiiiiice...

But deportations are also down because there's less illegals to catch and deport...

Trumpís immigration enforcement helps slow illegal border crossings by 76%
yes they left after the crash of 08 and because of mechanization which in a farming area i do know is true
also obama deported more than any other POTUS
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We're being flooded with new "undocumented" immigrants that are flying into to the country by the hundreds of thousands every year where they become visa over-stays after arrival. Trump and Republicans don't seem to be concerned because the two highest percentages by nationalities are Canadian and German. No efforts by ICE are targeting these recent undocumented aliens apparently because they're "White Protestant Christians" and not "Mexicans" (Hispanics).
Overstaying your welcome is a known problem. That much I'll give you. The rest of your post is the normal babbling. For starters, those overstayers are not mostly Wasps. Plenty of other groups are represented. The 9/11 hijackers were overstayers.

As is typical, when Trump suggested that we put a hold on this group until we developed a vetting plan, the left went bat shlt crazy and activist judges overruled the rule of law.

Hispanics are targeted because they are the largest group of border invaders. I agree that the overstayers are largely ignored, but not because they are Canadians and Germans. Probably because they are smaller in number and not as easily targeted. They should be rounded up and sent packing as soon as they serve out their sentence.
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