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Sen. Ted Cruz: 'It's only fitting' cartel money be used for border wall | Fox News

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz told Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight" that "there's a justice" to his proposal that money seized from drug cartel capos be used to pay for President Trump's promised border wall.

"These drug cartels are the ones crossing the border with impunity, smuggling drugs, smuggling narcotics, engaged in human trafficking," the Republican told host Tucker Carlson. "They’re the ones violating our laws and it’s only fitting that their ill-gotten gains fund securing the border."

Federal prosecutors are looking to seize $14 billion in drug profits from the Sinaloa Cartel leader, who is facing trial in the U.S. on a multitude of federal charges.

"Now, it so happens, coincidentally, that the estimated cost of the wall is between $14-20 billion," Cruz said. "So, the legislation I filed yesterday was very simple."

On Monday, Cruz introduced the Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order (EL CHAPO) Act.

"It said any proceeds that are forfeited from El Chapo and from other drugs lords shall be spent building the wall and securing the border,"
said Cruz, who also praised the Trump administration for their willingness to enforce immigration laws.

"I visited with about 150 Border Patrol agents [in January]," Cruz said. "The relief these men and women had at the election results, it was palpable ... And I asked the agents, ‘What’s changed?’ And they said, ‘The only thing that’s changed is the cartels understand now we have an administration that will enforce the law.’ That matters."
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I gotta admit this isn't a shabby idea.
It wouldn't be too shabby if the Sinaloa Cartel operated exclusively within the United States but because it operates predominately in Mexico wouldn't it make sense that a significant percentage of any drug cartel assets be distributed to Mexico to fund law enforcement efforts against the drug cartels in Mexico. I would suspect that a lot of this money is actually in Mexico and not the US.

It seems logical that to fight drug cartels at their source would be far more important than building a wall that doesn't really stop the drug smuggling into the United States.

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"Drug traffickers love using tunnels," journalist Ioan Grillo told Business Insider in early 2016. "The Mexico-US border is like a block of cheese with holes in it, with tunnels across it."

The "US-Mexico border is literally riddled with tunnels," Mike Vigil, former head of international operations at the US Drug Enforcement Administration," told Business Insider last spring.

"They have to move those drugs across the border and probably the most secure method is through the use of tunnels," said Vigil,*author of "Metal Coffins: The Blood Alliance Cartel."
Inside Mexican drug cartel narco tunnels on the US border - Business Insider

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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. federal agents have uncovered two drug-smuggling tunnels underneath the U.S.-Mexico border, both surfacing in San Diego-area warehouses and equipped with rail systems for moving contraband, officials said on Friday.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-drug-...--finance.html

Trump's "beautiful" wall, that in reality will be an eyesore reflective of tyrannical government, might slow down the illegal immigration for workers and their families trying to enter the United State shifting most of that to legal entry though border crossings where they just overstay a visa (the source for 40% of all illegal aliens in the United States currently) but it will have no impact at all when it comes to drug smuggling.

The drug cartels prefer more secure means of smuggling their drugs and. as noted, even use underground rail systems to move hundreds of ton of drugs into the United States. They also employ "submarines" (boats specially designed to be predominately submerged to avoid radar detection) and fishing boats to smuggle drugs into the country along the pacific coast. I'm not sure how much aircraft are being used today but in the 1970's I knew a pilot that routinely flew drugs across the border and that were air-dropped to people on the ground along his route before he landed to check-in with customs inspectors in the United States.

Trump's "beautiful wall" needs a mural of parading white elephants linked trunk to tail from one end to the other painted on it. Maybe he should increase funding to the National Endowment for the Arts that can fund the artists.
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It wouldn't be too shabby if the Sinaloa Cartel operated exclusively within the United States but because it operates predominately in Mexico wouldn't it make sense that a significant percentage of any drug cartel assets be distributed to Mexico to fund law enforcement efforts against the drug cartels in Mexico. I would suspect that a lot of this money is actually in Mexico and not the US.

It seems logical that to fight drug cartels at their source would be far more important than building a wall that doesn't really stop the drug smuggling into the United States.


Inside Mexican drug cartel narco tunnels on the US border - Business Insider


https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-drug-...--finance.html

Trump's "beautiful" wall, that in reality will be an eyesore reflective of tyrannical government, might slow down the illegal immigration for workers and their families trying to enter the United State shifting most of that to legal entry though border crossings where they just overstay a visa (the source for 40% of all illegal aliens in the United States currently) but it will have no impact at all when it comes to drug smuggling.

The drug cartels prefer more secure means of smuggling their drugs and. as noted, even use underground rail systems to move hundreds of ton of drugs into the United States. They also employ "submarines" (boats specially designed to be predominately submerged to avoid radar detection) and fishing boats to smuggle drugs into the country along the pacific coast. I'm not sure how much aircraft are being used today but in the 1970's I knew a pilot that routinely flew drugs across the border and that were air-dropped to people on the ground along his route before he landed to check-in with customs inspectors in the United States.

Trump's "beautiful wall" needs a mural of parading white elephants linked trunk to tail from one end to the other painted on it. Maybe he should increase funding to the National Endowment for the Arts that can fund the artists.
No. We cannot fight our problems on foreign soil. Sending money extracted from drug cartels on our soil back to Mexico to fight our problem makes about as much sense as sending money back to Iran to stop them from developing nuclear weapons and funding terrorists.

I'm not particularly in favor of the wall. I don't think it's necessary and is unlikely to solve the problem, but Mexico benefits from our illegal resident problem and therefore has no interest in solving our problems.
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No. We cannot fight our problems on foreign soil. Sending money extracted from drug cartels on our soil back to Mexico to fight our problem makes about as much sense as sending money back to Iran to stop them from developing nuclear weapons and funding terrorists.

I'm not particularly in favor of the wall. I don't think it's necessary and is unlikely to solve the problem, but Mexico benefits from our illegal resident problem and therefore has no interest in solving our problems.
The money isn't all in the US and it's seizure is from international banks.

Mexico has a huge interest in fighting the drug cartels in Mexico. I'm not sure where the idea originates that they don't have this interest and aren't pursuing the drug cartels. The Mexican government just doesn't have the financial resources to effectively combat many of these very wealthy drug cartels.

And it seems we agree that the Wall isn't going to reduce the drug smuggling one iota so using any assets seized from the drug lords that's spent on the wall is basically a waste of that money that could be used by law enforcement to fight the drug cartels.
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Mexico has a huge interest in fighting the drug cartels in Mexico. I'm not sure where the idea originates that they don't have this interest and aren't pursuing the drug cartels. The Mexican government just doesn't have the financial resources to effectively combat many of these very wealthy drug cartels.
It is my opinion that Mexico, from the president on down to local law enforcement, has the finest public servants that drug money can buy.
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It wouldn't be too shabby if the Sinaloa Cartel operated exclusively within the United States but because it operates predominately in Mexico wouldn't it make sense that a significant percentage of any drug cartel assets be distributed to Mexico to fund law enforcement efforts against the drug cartels in Mexico. I would suspect that a lot of this money is actually in Mexico and not the US.
Disastrous idea...

The second Mexico realizes that seized assets go into their coffers will be the second they start allowing MORE illegal activity across the border for their own personal gain...

Congratulations...You've just given their already-corrupt government and law enforcement a cash cow!...
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