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She does have some good points compared to Trumps broad statements on the issue. But to understand then one needs to read a bit before making any comments...


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Germany rejects Trump's claim it owes NATO and U.S. 'vast sums' for defense

German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen on Sunday rejected U.S. President Donald Trump's claim that Germany owes NATO and the United States "vast sums" of money for defense.
"There is no debt account at NATO," von der Leyen said in a statement, adding that it was wrong to link the alliance's target for members to spend 2 percent of their economic output on defense by 2024 solely to NATO.

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Granny says, "Dat's right - lot of `em's ridin' the U.S. coat-tails...

US Pays 22.1% of NATO Budget; Germany 14.7%; 13 Allies Pay Less Than 1%
March 20, 2017 – While President Trump’s weekend Twitter assertion that “Germany owes vast sums of money to NATO” is disputed by experts – and by Berlin – it draws attention to the fact that Germany, like the majority of the 28 members of the alliance, has yet to meet a NATO-agreed commitment to devote two percent of GDP to defense spending.
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At the same time, a closer look at NATO funding also underlines that – as is the case with the United Nations – the U.S. contributes more than one-fifth of the direct, collective funding that keeps NATO’s military and civilian operations on track. Member countries contribute in line with an agreed cost-sharing formula, based on Gross National Income. (GNI equals GDP plus income obtained in dividends, interest etc. from other countries.) Under that formula, the U.S. contributes 22.144 percent of the NATO budget, followed by Germany (14.65 percent), France (10.63 percent) and Britain (9.84 percent). Thirteen allies, mostly smaller former communist countries that joined the alliance after the fall of the Soviet Union and disintegration of Yugoslavia, pay less than one percent each – Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech, Estonia, Hungary, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Portugal, Slovakia and Slovenia.


(Graph: CNSNews.com/Data: NATO)

The national contributions go towards NATO’s military costs, civilian costs and the NATO Security Investment Program (NSIP), which deals with investment in command and control systems etc. For 2017, NATO’s military budget is 1.29 billion euro ($1.38 billion), the civilian budget is 234.4 million euro ($252 million), and the NSIP budget ceiling is 655 million euro ($704 million).

Two percent pledge an indicator of ‘political will to contribute’ to missions

The president’s tweeted message about Germany owing “vast sums of money to NATO” likely relates to a related but separate issue, dealing with indirect contributions. NATO describes these as contributions that are made, for example, when “a member volunteers equipment or troops to a military operation and bears the costs of the decision to do so.” In order to encourage and allow for such contributions, members agreed in 2014, and reaffirmed at a summit last year, on a commitment for each to spend at least two percent of GDP on defense spending, by 2024. Impacting NATO’s indirect rather than direct funding, the target is intended to be “an indicator of a country’s political will to contribute” to common defense efforts. It is also meant to send a signal to the rest of the world that the alliance is a credible entity.


(Graph: CNSNews.com/Data: NATO)

The United States has met the target, and dedicated 3.36 percent of GDP (around $664 billion, according to NATO figures) to military spending in 2016. Germany has not, having devoted 1.20 percent of GDP on defense (about $41.6 billion) last year. In fact, only five of the 28 NATO allies have made the grade: Aside from the U.S., the other four were Greece (2.36 percent in 2016, amounting to $4.6 billion), Estonia (2.18 percent, $503 million), Britain (2.17 percent, $56.8 billion) and Poland (2.01 percent, $12.7 billion). NATO’s other North American member, Canada, spent 1.02 percent on defense last year ($15.5 billion), while the average across its European members was 1.47 percent. Closest to achieving the target were France (1.79 percent, $44.2 billion) and Turkey (1.69 percent, $12.1 billion); lagging farthest behind were Luxembourg (0.42 percent, $248 million), Belgium (0.91 percent, $4.3 billion) and Spain (0.90 percent, $11.2 billion).

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Well Germany doesn't like the Trump way of deciding who pays how much toward funding NATO...


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Germany's defence minister called Friday for changes to the way NATO members' commitments to budget targets are assessed, in the face of bigger demands from US President Donald Trump.
https://www.thelocal.de/20170317/ger...nt-budget-goal


What gets me is all the west have economies based on Capitalism, which is at a steady rise by 10% or more each year. And in the long run isn't workable. As the rich take more of the GDP while those in the majority gather much less each rise.

The German Govt., report on the same:
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A growing gap between rich and poor in Germany could sap social cohesion in Europe's largest economy and most populous country, a government report warned on Thursday.
Now when it does go south what will other countries and their growing poorer population?

https://www.thelocal.de/20170323/ger...nd-poor-report
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I think American should give our 2% and that is ALL.
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I think American should give our 2% and that is ALL.






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