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A federal judge in Hawaii has issued a nationwide temporary restraining order on President Donald Trump's revised travel ban.

U.S. District Judge Derrick Watson issued his ruling Wednesday after hearing arguments on Hawaii's request for a temporary restraining order involving the ban.

His ruling prevents the executive order from going into effect Thursday.

Hawaii argued that the ban discriminates on the basis of nationality and would prevent Hawaiian residents from receiving visits from relatives in the six mostly Muslim countries covered by the ban.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hawaii-jud...opstories.html

The religious intolerance of Republicans and the Trump Administration will not be allowed by the US Federal Courts. No matter what type of Alternate Facts Trump tries to invent to cover up this blatant disregard for the First Amendment's protection of religious freedom his Muslim Ban is always going to be recognized by rational people as being a Muslim Ban.

PS - We'll wait for the Twitter response of "Fake Judge", "Fake Courts", "Fake Facts", "Fake Constitution" from Fearless Leader.
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[QUOTE=ShivaTD;877712The religious intolerance of Republicans and the Trump Administration will not be allowed by the US Federal Courts. [/QUOTE]

It will be when we get done firing all those Federal judges who are obviously Democratic liberals! And replacing them with WASP judges!

Trump will get to it, just be patient. We will erase all signs of the left wing in the next 8 years.

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How is this a 2.0 Muslim ban when there was never a Muslim ban to begin with?
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Trump and the gang incessantly promised a Muslim ban, argues this isn't it. Court doesn't buy it. Gavel down.

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Trumpcare is failing, Totally-not-a-Muslim ban wink wink failing for a second time, wiretap claim is false, nine golf trips in seven weeks, continual twitter whining, and constantly being derailed by ties to Russia. Solid not even a whole 100 days Donald.

Tired of winning yet?
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The Court's order against the Travel Ban Part Deux cites Stephen Miller's quote, "you're still going to have the same basic policy outcome" when he was discussing the revised ban.

The Trump crowd literally thought they could trick the courts by ordering something that in their own words would produce the same effect.

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And the fight is on. My money is on Trump.
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Trumpcare is failing, Totally-not-a-Muslim ban wink wink failing for a second time, wiretap claim is false, nine golf trips in seven weeks, continual twitter whining, and constantly being derailed by ties to Russia. Solid not even a whole 100 days Donald.

Tired of winning yet?
But hey, he had the biggest inaugural crowd in the history of crowds. More electoral votes...bus loads "them" people, no millions in fact illegally voting....what a clown show.
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This is also the Trump that hides his tax returns and called the US intelligence agencies 'Nazis'.
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How is this a 2.0 Muslim ban when there was never a Muslim ban to begin with?
How do we know that a Jim Crow voting law is about disenfranchising black voters when it doesn't mention race? The first way is when the people denied the right to vote are overwhelmingly black. The second way is when the basis for the law have a legitimate foundation. A third was is when those responsible for the crafting of the law tell you it's about preventing blacks from voting. A fourth way would be if it actually violates the provisions of the law cited for the authority.

Condition #1 - Would Overwhelming Ban Muslims from the US:
So let's see, all of the countries listed are over 90% Muslim with one being 99% Muslim from what I read. We can check off that one,

Iran - 99% Muslim https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ir.html
Libya - 96.6% Muslim https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ly.html
Somalia - Officially "100%" Sunni Muslim https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/so.html
Yemen - 99.1% Muslim https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ym.html
Sudan - Sunni Muslim (small Christian minority) https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/su.html
Syria - 87% Muslim https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/sy.html
(Muslim Ban 1.0:
Iraq - 99% Officially Muslim https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/iz.html )

Condition #2 - Lack of Foundation for the Ban
Next is that the Trump administration,, in dozens of lawsuits challenging Muslim Ban 1.0 and 2.0 haven't produced one shred of evidence that citizenship (nationality) in these countries represents a threat of terrorism or that the visa processes used has allowed a terrorist to travel to the United States.

The Executive Orders for Muslim Travel Ban 1.0 and 2.0 cite revisions to the Visa Waiver Program as identifying the citizens of these nations as being a potential National Security (Terrorist) threat but the Visa Waiver Program does not do that. The Visa Waiver program identifies non-citizens, such as US citizens, traveling to these countries without a visa as being a potentially a creditable national security threat that would require special review. It does not identify the citizens of these countries that are granted visas by the US State Department as being a creditable threat of committing an act of terrorism or of being a national security threat.

The Interim Attorney General when Muslim Travel Ban 1.0 was issued without her prior review refused to defend the Executive Order. As the top lawyer of the nation for our government she made this determination based upon the executive order, the lack of evidence to support the executive order, and it's obvious intent to ban Muslims in violation of the Constitution, She was fired for doing her job to enforce the laws and Constitution of the United States.

A bipartisan group of recognized national security experts from former administrations issued a brief to the Courts that stated: “We view the Order as one that ultimately undermines the national security of the United States, rather than making us safer. In our professional opinion, this Order cannot be justified on national security or foreign policy grounds.” The Executive Order didn't make America safer. These experts agreed that the EO endangers American troops in the field, degrades US counter-terrorism efforts, and will increase the terrorist threat against the United State. Bipartisan National Security Experts File Brief Against 'Ill-Conceived' Muslim Ban

When contacted by the White House, that apparently hadn't contacted them before, the Department of Homeland Security that has overall authority related to identifying and addressing all terrorist threats that would occur on United States soil, rejected the foundation for the Muslim Travel Ban issued by the President. https://qz.com/919257/department-of-...el-ban-claims/

Condition #3 - Those behind the creation of the ban admit it was expressly about "legally" banning Muslims

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Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who is currently acting as an aide to Donald Trump, revealed on Fox News Saturday night the president tasked him with creating a "Muslim ban" that could work legally.*

[QUOTE “When he first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban,’” Giuliani*told Fox News host Jeanine Pirro. “He called me up, he said ‘put a commission together, show me the right way to do it, legally.'”

But Giuliani*said he and his team of experts, which he said included former federal Judge Michael Mukasey, New York Rep. Peter King and Texas Rep. Michael McCaul, placed the emphasis on “danger,” and not religion, noting the Muslim-majority countries were targeted because they are “the areas of the world that create danger for us.”

“Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis,” he said. "Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. That's what the ban is based on."
Rudy Giuliani: President Trump asked me to create a legal ?Muslim ban?

Yes, a "danger" would establish a foundation for the "Muslim Ban" but the White House never even attempted to find out if there was an creditable danger to the national security of the United States. Instead of investigating possible dangers the Executive Order was based solely upon anti-Muslim prejudice. The actual evidence is:

A. Citizenship is an unlikely criteria for determining if a terrorist threat exists.
B. Religion is an unlikely criteria for determining if a terrorist threat exists.
C. There have been no identified failures of our visa issuing process that allows citizens from these countries to enter the United States.
D. Evidence of acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States are virtually non-existent
E. The threat of Islamic terrorism in the United States is from Muslims that are radicalized in the United States and roughly half of them are US citizens.
F. According to law enforcement agencies the threat of Islamic terrorism in the United States is less than the threat of right-wing anti-government extremists that are considered to be the greatest terrorist threat in America today.

Condition #4 - The law does not provide a basis for the Executive Order.
Cited in the Executive Order as the authority for the President is U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part II › § 1182 where it states:

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(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Under the law to "find" is to present a statement of fact that is supported by overwhelming evidence. The "finding" can be challenged where the overwhelming evidence of the "fact" is established beyond dispute.

The "finding" in the Executive Order that a terrorist threat exists based upon the criteria of the Executive Order has been challenged in all of the dozens of lawsuits against Muslim Ban 1.0 and 2.0 and the Department of Justice, that is responsible for defending (or not defending) the Executive Order and producing the "overwhelming evidence" to establish that a creditable threat exists has not done so. It hasn't done so because that evidence does not exist.

The law cited does not authorize the President to suspend or impose restrictions on travel to the United States based upon anti-Muslim opinion and prejudice.

Both Muslim Ban 1.0 and 2.0 are in direct violation of U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part II › § 1182 because a "finding" does not exist to authorize the suspension or restriction of travel by citizens of these countries.
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The Travel Bans have always been Muslim Travel Bans because all of the evidence that exists proves they are Muslim Travel Bans.

PS - It's the Trump administration's responsibility to prove the Travel Bans are not Muslim Travel Bans by providing the evidence to support the "finding" in the Executive Orders. The Trump administration cannot prove there's creditable threat nor can any member of this forum prove there's a creditable threat because that evidence has never existed.
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