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Been saying this for a while now. The private property owners do not want to give up their land for some bogus wall.


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To build the wall, the U.S. would need to own all 1,954 miles of the border. Most of this land is now private property—especially in Texas, where the U.S. government owns only 100 miles of the 1,254-mile border. To acquire the rest of the land it would need, Washington would need to employ eminent domain, the authority under the Fifth Amendment to seize private property for public use upon payment of “just compensation.”

Recent history shows that’s easier said than done. In 2006 Congress passed the Secure Fence Act with strong bipartisan backing, including the support of New York Democrat Chuck Schumer, now Senate minority leader. The law authorized construction of a border fence along 700 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, including 100 miles in Texas. Lawmakers expected swift completion of the project.

Instead, a decade later, there are unfenced gaps—because the fence had to have holes to accommodate local ranchers whose cattle graze on the southern side, but also due to property owners’ fighting land seizures in federal court.

At the end of 2016, more than 120 separate cases pertaining to eminent-domain seizures for the fence were still active in the U.S. court system. In 2009 the Department of Homeland Security inspector general issued a report that noted, “Acquiring real property from non-federal owners is a costly, time-consuming process requiring negotiations and sometimes condemnation.”
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But an estimated 40% of illegal aliens entered the U.S. legally and overstayed their visas. A wall would do nothing about those overstays. Thus Mr. Trump would be prudent to move away from a physical wall to one that is “virtual” or “electronic.” That would entail investing in electronic surveillance equipment such as drones and motion sensors that the Border Patrol could use to enhance its operations. Immigration and Customs Enforcement could also expand the E-Verify system, which checks aliens’ employment eligibility, to track the location of foreign visitors and reduce visa overstays.

Surely Mr. Trump has the persuasion skills to sell his supporters on this tough but practical approach. It would also earn him the backing of Democrats from border areas and even some of the Democratic base. More important, the president would avoid seizing Americans’ private land—a policy that is anathema to the conservatives who overcame their doubts to vote for him.
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The interstate system got built using eminent domain. Numerous other large projects have taken private property for public usage. If the will is there, the means is there. I think the wall authorization Secure Fence Act is still in place.

I don't think the will for a wall is there. The will for sending the illegals packing is there. Something will be done. Picking high profile cases like mommies with document problems is part of the answer. Shutting down the support system is next.
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"Reality has a way of catching up with you"
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This isof course, nonsense. The US already has a right of way at the border wide enough to build a four lane divided Interstate highway. Right now much of it is mostly gravel roads, clear cut with a pair of fences.

And as well, most of the land owners in Texas welcome a security barrier that would make their property safe from the Mexicans, good and bad, who freely cross the border and cross their properties. Often without respecting the landowners property and lives.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45440385/n...hey-live-fear/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/americ...rnd/index.html

Where there will be land and real estate conflicts is in Border towns where the wall may not be appropriate. However, President Trump has already promised to properly address those issues. Crossing rivers is not a real issue so long as the water flow is not impeded. However, all that said, I still maintain the wall is a environmental nightmare. I am very surprised that few people have tried that argument.
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The interstate system got built using eminent domain. Numerous other large projects have taken private property for public usage. If the will is there, the means is there. I think the wall authorization Secure Fence Act is still in place.

I don't think the will for a wall is there. The will for sending the illegals packing is there. Something will be done. Picking high profile cases like mommies with document problems is part of the answer. Shutting down the support system is next.
1st, thing is most of the interstate system that got built initially were built on existing roads and had no need of heavy use of eminent domain.

2nd, The interstate system was built before the 60s and the disillusionment the people had in the federal government. Most people still thought that the federal government was looking out for their best interests, don't think you'll find that now.

3rd, Eminent Domain was a far easier process for the government to use, while people did resist back then, the deck was stacked in the government's favor, not so much any more.

4th, The interstate system was an obvious boost to the economy by making goods easier to deliver, and travel more affordable. The wall however even if some how it managed to cut illegal border crossing would still be a drain on the economy though repair, and manpower to guard it, with no income for it to pay for it. Mexico isn't going to pay for it, and neither is any tax on corporations that do business there, the american people will be the ones paying for it.
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1st, thing is most of the interstate system that got built initially were built on existing roads and had no need of heavy use of eminent domain.

2nd, The interstate system was built before the 60s and the disillusionment the people had in the federal government. Most people still thought that the federal government was looking out for their best interests, don't think you'll find that now.

3rd, Eminent Domain was a far easier process for the government to use, while people did resist back then, the deck was stacked in the government's favor, not so much any more.

4th, The interstate system was an obvious boost to the economy by making goods easier to deliver, and travel more affordable. The wall however even if some how it managed to cut illegal border crossing would still be a drain on the economy though repair, and manpower to guard it, with no income for it to pay for it. Mexico isn't going to pay for it, and neither is any tax on corporations that do business there, the american people will be the ones paying for it.
1) Untrue. In fact most of the interstate system was built "along side" existing roads thus displacing many people who lived or has businesses along the major routes. When that wasn't done the highway bypassed towns leaving them to wither and die. Still it was good overall for the nation.

I was there in 1960's when the fist mile was laid in St Charles MO.(how old are you?)

2) The system was envisioned in the late fifties but built in the 60's.

3) Ask folks from New London CT how easy it is NOW to use eminent domain. Better yet, ask President Trump who used it as a private developer/contractor more than once.

4) yes the Interstate system boosted the economy. it also made it easier to goof shore to purchaser cheaper goods and swiftly move them across America's shiny new roads.

What the wall will do is shut down the movement of cheap labor which competes with America workers for employment and fair wages. And it will cost less than a standing Military holding their hands out against the inflow of illegal immigrants, drugs, and crime.
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1) Untrue. In fact most of the interstate system was built "along side" existing roads thus displacing many people who lived or has businesses along the major routes. When that wasn't done the highway bypassed towns leaving them to wither and die. Still it was good overall for the nation.

I was there in 1960's when the fist mile was laid in St Charles MO.(how old are you?)
Actually the first mile was laid 1956 in Kansas and Missouri with I-70, and the first contract signed was for upgrading a section of US Route 66 to what is now designated Interstate 44. But its ok we know at you age things are hard to remember and google is a new fangled thing.

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2) The system was envisioned in the late fifties but built in the 60's.
Again construction start in 1956 your 4 years off

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3) Ask folks from New London CT how easy it is NOW to use eminent domain. Better yet, ask President Trump who used it as a private developer/contractor more than once.
And thanks to that most state have made it harder to claim eminent domain,

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Prior to Kelo, seven states specifically prohibited the use of eminent domain for economic development except to eliminate blight: Arkansas, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Washington. As of June 2012, 42 states had enacted some type of reform legislation in response to the Kelo decision. Of those states, 22 enacted laws that severely inhibited the takings allowed by the Kelo decision, while the rest enacted laws that place some limits on the power of municipalities to invoke eminent domain for economic development. The remaining eight states have not passed laws to limit the power of eminent domain for economic development.
You will also note that its about use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another private owner, not a government take over from a private owner. Your argument falls flat, next time google.

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4) yes the Interstate system boosted the economy. it also made it easier to goof shore to purchaser cheaper goods and swiftly move them across America's shiny new roads.

What the wall will do is shut down the movement of cheap labor which competes with America workers for employment and fair wages. And it will cost less than a standing Military holding their hands out against the inflow of illegal immigrants, drugs, and crime.
I never said it was about cheap labor, I said it would cost a fortune to maintain and keep secured for little to no gain, and you will pay for it, not mexico or some corporation. If you like being sold a fake bill of goods great I hope you feel safer from people that have a negligible effect on your life.

And while we are on it, since your so old and you remember the "good old days" so well, then you remember that prior to Reagan's attempt at immigration reform. Migrant worker would come here harvest our food, spend money at our shop, and pay into our tax structure then go home for the season. You didn't have the problem of people sneaking across the boarder because we let them in though the front door freely, and let them leave the same way. But hey why remember things like that easier to say some old man crap to make your argument seem legit.
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