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Old 11-15-2016, 09:38 PM
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China far exceeds us in solar power energy generation

China is the world's largest market for both photovoltaics and solar thermal energy. Since 2013 China has been the world's leading installer of solar photovoltaics, reaching a total installed capacity of over 43 GW by the end of 2015. Solar PV is a growing industry with over 400 photovoltaic companies. In 2015, China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power, at 43 GW installed capacity,[1][2][3] after having installed over 18 GW of solar power in 2015.[4] Solar water heating is extensively implemented, with a total installed capacity of 290 GWth at the end of 2014, representing about 70% of world's total installed solar thermal capacity.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_China
Over 60% of China's energy is generated by coal with another 9% by NG or biofuel. Solar accounts for less than 2%. Hardly something to be ecstatic over.

Last I heard, China is still building coal fired generators.

China also has far less electricity transmission capability. So individual units make more sense. Particularly in the rural interior areas.
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Regarding climate change and greenhouse gas emissions, many US businesses are objecting to PE Trump's initiative to withdraw from the Paris Agreement ...

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We, the undersigned members in the business and investor community of the United States, re-affirm our deep commitment to addressing climate change through the implementation of the historic Paris Climate Agreement.

We want the US economy to be energy efficient and powered by low-carbon energy. Cost-effective and innovative solutions can help us achieve these objectives. Failure to build a low-carbon economy puts American prosperity at risk. But the right action now will create jobs and boost US competitiveness. We pledge to do our part, in our own operations and beyond, to realize the Paris Agreementís commitment of a global economy that limits global temperature rise to well below 2 degrees Celsius.

Implementing the Paris Agreement will enable and encourage businesses and investors to turn the billions of dollars in existing low-carbon investments into the trillions of dollars the world needs to bring clean energy and prosperity to all. We support leaders around the world as they seek to implement the Paris Agreement and leverage this historic opportunity to tackle climate change.

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Related: China Tells Trump That Climate Change Is No Hoax It Invented
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Your link is to a letter of people and corporations requesting we stay in the Paris Accord.

Exactly what does the Accord require the USA to do? How will the Accord be funded?

I'd say, start with those who want to stay in it, and tell them they, personally and via their corporations, will be funding it..... let's see where their support goes after that.
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I'd say, start with those who want to stay in it, and tell them they, personally and via their corporations, will be funding it..... let's see where their support goes after that.
National/corporate participation is already voluntary.
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Koch brothers money comes from no such place. Koch brothers money comes from giving the public what they want when they want it.

Your accusations are way out there and unfounded. The only situation I can recall where someone made a conscious decision to let someone be murdered occurred in a one of our embassies. And yes, the official line of the liberals was: You can't prove (s)he's murdering anyone and (s)he's making a lot of money murdering people so it's OK with us.

That's been the argument the liberals have used for 8 years to defend the administration, its people, and its actions.
I believe you'll accept the fact that the American people both want and need electrical power. If not I'm sure I can easily document that fact.

Now what I won't accept is that the American people want unnecessary pollution, acid rain, contributions to global warming, toxic pollution of our rivers and the toxic pollution of the ground water all of which are a result of burning coal. I'm going to ask you to document that because I don't believe you can.

I'm not a "liberal Democrat" because I'm a Libertarian that believes in Natural Law that's the foundation for the Natural Rights of the People/Person that the government of the United States was created to protect. To spoil (pollute) or destroy nature is a violation of the Natural Rights of the People/Person.

No One Has A Right to Pollute.

While some pollution is inevitable the express purpose of our government, based upon the ideology of the United States, and protected by the Constitution, is to prevent any unnecessary pollution being created by any person or industry in the United States.

Republicans like to claim they support the Constitution and the original intent of the founders but when it comes to the violations of the Natural Rights of the People/Person that was the original intent of the founders and compliance with the US Constitution they always stand opposed to both.

While the specific protection of the Natural Rights of the People/Person related to the unnecessary pollution caused by the burning of coal is not enumerated that protection exists and is enumerated by the Ninth Amendment.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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This amendment was specifically included by James Madison to address situations just like we have today where the burning of coal, and the unnecessary pollution it creates, violates the Natural Rights of the People/Person in the United States.

Original Intent and Constitutional Enumeration is what Republicans claim to want in a Supreme Court justice.... which is a lie.
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