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Here's the real deal. We haven't read the "emails" that WikiLeaks got from the US government email servers (not from Clinton's where no evidence exists that it was ever hacked although several attempts were made)

Are the emails from before the arms shipments or after the arms shipments? There's a difference between knowing in advance and finding out later that ISIS received the weapons.

It was a CIA operation and the State Department had limited supporting role in the operation. If there's a claim of "responsibility" it really falls on the CIA and not the State Department.

What was Hillary Clinton's statements under oath to Congress well after the fact? She might not have know the weapons would end up in the hands of iSIS when the State Department arranged for the shipment to Qatar but she could have known after the fact that some ended up in the hands of ISIS.

All of this would need to be know, and arguably more, to support a criminal indictment. If there really is a foundation for a criminal compliant (e.g. that Hillary Clinton violated the law) then we can be assured that Republicans in Congress will file a complaint with the DOJ providing the evidence to support the complaint. I've not read of the Republicans in Congress making that claim and filing the evidence necessary for the complaint.

If they do then the FBI will investigate and based upon that investigation the DOJ will determine if there's grounds for prosecution and will seek the indictment.

Before that happens, and even if that happens, Hillary Clinton would be presumed innocent until the case is prosecuted and a decision is returned by a jury.

As we know from the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton's emails related to all of the issues by the end of the investigation there were no grounds for criminal prosecution. Everyone that "presumed the guilt" of Hillary Clinton related to her emails was proven wrong based upon the FBI investigation and decision by the DOJ that grounds for prosecution didn't exist.

We're faced with the same situation here. The claim of criminal wrongdoing must first be made, the case needs to be investigated by the FBI to obtain and evaluate evidence to related to the possible commission of a criminal act. Then the DOJ, based upon the investigation must decide if enough evidence exists to support criminal prosecution. If the evidence exists then the case will be prosecuted.....

But if Hillary Clinton is elected then based upon prior precedent a "sitting president" can't be prosecuted. She would either need to be impeached and removed from office to face prosecution or the prosecution will have to wait until she leaves office. All of that time she will still be "presumed innocent" based upon the criminal justice system we have in the United States.

I'm not seeing what the "Republicans" hope to gain by even claiming that Hillary Clinton violated the law when Republicans haven't even contacted the FBI or DOJ to make the allegation of criminal wrongdoing. They were proven wrong related to Clinton's private email on all counts and it's doubtful they actually have a case of perjury (the only criminal complaint I can think of) related to this case.
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I believe we had every reason in the world to go into Iraq. Keep in mind, After we invaded Afghanistan to get the people who had masterminded the 9/11 attacks on OUR CITIZENS, that's to where they fled.

We went into Afghanistan with troops this time because Clinton desperate attempt to get Bin Lade did little more than exhaust our arsenal of Cruise missiles. No one seems to remember how he Dropped the ball on Bin Laden. And subsequently cost us the Trade Center Towers along with over 3,300 lives.

What we should not have done was to have left Iraq after we broke it. Keep in mind we still have troops in Germany, Japan and South Korea. Why then not in Afghanistan and Iraq?

As for the MBH, yes Obama was pissed. Yes another obvious failure of his dream to allow the validation of radical Sharia Islam.
There was ZERO need to go to Iraq.
ZERO.
No WMD's
No connection to 911 at all.
And AQ weren't fleeing to Iraq. Afghanstan boarders Iran and Pakistan. AQ went over the hills to Pakistan mainly. But we didn't Attack Pakistan. and Bin Laden was found IN PAKISTAN. But Saddam had been FIGHTING AQ long before 9-11.

there was ZERO reason to ATTACK Iraq. In fact it was a war crime by the standards Nuremberg treaties we initiated and signed in the 1940s after WW2. Aggressive initiation of war is a war crime. Getting congressional approval and "relabeling it the "bush doctrine" doesn't make it legal.
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Here's the real deal. We haven't read the "emails" that WikiLeaks got from the US government email servers (not from Clinton's where no evidence exists that it was ever hacked although several attempts were made)

Are the emails from before the arms shipments or after the arms shipments? There's a difference between knowing in advance and finding out later that ISIS received the weapons.

It was a CIA operation and the State Department had limited supporting role in the operation. If there's a claim of "responsibility" it really falls on the CIA and not the State Department.

What was Hillary Clinton's statements under oath to Congress well after the fact? She might not have know the weapons would end up in the hands of iSIS when the State Department arranged for the shipment to Qatar but she could have known after the fact that some ended up in the hands of ISIS.

All of this would need to be know, and arguably more, to support a criminal indictment. If there really is a foundation for a criminal compliant (e.g. that Hillary Clinton violated the law) then we can be assured that Republicans in Congress will file a complaint with the DOJ providing the evidence to support the complaint. I've not read of the Republicans in Congress making that claim and filing the evidence necessary for the complaint.

If they do then the FBI will investigate and based upon that investigation the DOJ will determine if there's grounds for prosecution and will seek the indictment.

Before that happens, and even if that happens, Hillary Clinton would be presumed innocent until the case is prosecuted and a decision is returned by a jury.

As we know from the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton's emails related to all of the issues by the end of the investigation there were no grounds for criminal prosecution. Everyone that "presumed the guilt" of Hillary Clinton related to her emails was proven wrong based upon the FBI investigation and decision by the DOJ that grounds for prosecution didn't exist.

We're faced with the same situation here. The claim of criminal wrongdoing must first be made, the case needs to be investigated by the FBI to obtain and evaluate evidence to related to the possible commission of a criminal act. Then the DOJ, based upon the investigation must decide if enough evidence exists to support criminal prosecution. If the evidence exists then the case will be prosecuted.....

But if Hillary Clinton is elected then based upon prior precedent a "sitting president" can't be prosecuted. She would either need to be impeached and removed from office to face prosecution or the prosecution will have to wait until she leaves office. All of that time she will still be "presumed innocent" based upon the criminal justice system we have in the United States.

I'm not seeing what the "Republicans" hope to gain by even claiming that Hillary Clinton violated the law when Republicans haven't even contacted the FBI or DOJ to make the allegation of criminal wrongdoing. They were proven wrong related to Clinton's private email on all counts and it's doubtful they actually have a case of perjury (the only criminal complaint I can think of) related to this case.
According to the FBI director we should not expect to find direct evidence of hacking Hillary's email server. Somehow the DNC servers, Hillary's campaign manager, and a host of government servers have been hacked recently despite having far better security than Hillay's illegal home brew server. Hillary's security staff was a part time system administrator trying to protect a server named "Clinton emails. But foreign intelligence services would never target America's top diplomat.

The FBI found plenty of evidence of criminal wrongdoing with Hillary's ongoing criminal email server conspiracy despite the FBI director and DOJ heads efforts to sabotage the investigation with grants of Immunity for coconspirators and even agreeing to destroy evidence. Oh and who can forget Bill Clinton's secretive meeting with the AG less than a week before the FBI interviewed Hillary with 9 of her staffers including 2 who had been given immunity by Obama's DOJ.

It is important to keep in mind Hillary’s emails are only what she allowed to be released. Not only did she lie about a full release of her emails a vigorous effort was made to destroy the electronic email archive on her server and all backup copies. Instead, all we have are printed incomplete emails selected by criminal coconspitators.

There is a mountain of difference between the conclusion of a corrupt investigation concluding Hillary is not criminally liable and no evidence of wrong doing.
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Here's the real deal. We haven't read the "emails" that WikiLeaks got from the US government email servers (not from Clinton's where no evidence exists that it was ever hacked although several attempts were made)

Are the emails from before the arms shipments or after the arms shipments? There's a difference between knowing in advance and finding out later that ISIS received the weapons.

It was a CIA operation and the State Department had limited supporting role in the operation. If there's a claim of "responsibility" it really falls on the CIA and not the State Department.

What was Hillary Clinton's statements under oath to Congress well after the fact? She might not have know the weapons would end up in the hands of iSIS when the State Department arranged for the shipment to Qatar but she could have known after the fact that some ended up in the hands of ISIS.

All of this would need to be know, and arguably more, to support a criminal indictment. If there really is a foundation for a criminal compliant (e.g. that Hillary Clinton violated the law) then we can be assured that Republicans in Congress will file a complaint with the DOJ providing the evidence to support the complaint. I've not read of the Republicans in Congress making that claim and filing the evidence necessary for the complaint.

If they do then the FBI will investigate and based upon that investigation the DOJ will determine if there's grounds for prosecution and will seek the indictment.

Before that happens, and even if that happens, Hillary Clinton would be presumed innocent until the case is prosecuted and a decision is returned by a jury.

As we know from the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton's emails related to all of the issues by the end of the investigation there were no grounds for criminal prosecution. Everyone that "presumed the guilt" of Hillary Clinton related to her emails was proven wrong based upon the FBI investigation and decision by the DOJ that grounds for prosecution didn't exist.

We're faced with the same situation here. The claim of criminal wrongdoing must first be made, the case needs to be investigated by the FBI to obtain and evaluate evidence to related to the possible commission of a criminal act. Then the DOJ, based upon the investigation must decide if enough evidence exists to support criminal prosecution. If the evidence exists then the case will be prosecuted.....

But if Hillary Clinton is elected then based upon prior precedent a "sitting president" can't be prosecuted. She would either need to be impeached and removed from office to face prosecution or the prosecution will have to wait until she leaves office. All of that time she will still be "presumed innocent" based upon the criminal justice system we have in the United States.

I'm not seeing what the "Republicans" hope to gain by even claiming that Hillary Clinton violated the law when Republicans haven't even contacted the FBI or DOJ to make the allegation of criminal wrongdoing. They were proven wrong related to Clinton's private email on all counts and it's doubtful they actually have a case of perjury (the only criminal complaint I can think of) related to this case.
Well bottom line really is they always knew it was more than likely ... Probable...that weapons would end up in the hands of ISIS. It was practically garenteed. I'm not in the state Dept and I knew that. When they were 1st crying about Assad and arming "the rebels" I knew ISIS/AlQeada would be among those that would be getting support. So ethier she's stupid (she's not) or she's corrupt or she has another agenda in the M.E.. I think its clearly the last 2. (Public private policies) Seems to me that anyone who knows that the arms they are supplying will likely go to terrorist is a criminal. Whether or not a Clinton can go to jail for any crimes they commit in the U.S. remains to be seen.
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Where does the first link show any context and perspective to wiki leaks and Hillary?
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According to the FBI director we should not expect to find direct evidence of hacking Hillary's email server. Somehow the DNC servers, Hillary's campaign manager, and a host of government servers have been hacked recently despite having far better security than Hillay's illegal home brew server. Hillary's security staff was a part time system administrator trying to protect a server named "Clinton emails. But foreign intelligence services would never target America's top diplomat.
Let's just summarize it this way. Hillary Clinton's server did record several attempts of "unauthorized access" and blocked those attempts. There no evidence whatsoever that any attempts of "unauthorized access" occurred at anytime.

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The FBI found plenty of evidence of criminal wrongdoing with Hillary's ongoing criminal email server conspiracy despite the FBI director and DOJ heads efforts to sabotage the investigation with grants of Immunity for coconspirators and even agreeing to destroy evidence. Oh and who can forget Bill Clinton's secretive meeting with the AG less than a week before the FBI interviewed Hillary with 9 of her staffers including 2 who had been given immunity by Obama's DOJ.
This is false on virtually all counts. The FBI investigation revealed a very limited number of unintentional violations of security protocol related to Hillary Clinton using her email (it didn't matter if this was using private email or government email servers) and others in the State Department that were all incidental to the conducting the affairs of State Department business and all of those involved had the proper security access and "need to know" the classified information. The very limited number of incidental and unintentional breaches of Security protocol, according to the FBI investigation, were so minor that they never reached the level required for a "criminal" act that anyone would be prosecuted for. Instead they fell under the umbrella of "administrative corrective action" of the State Department's security organization.

The government does not prosecute limited unintentional, incidental, and minor breaches of the security protocol in the course of business operations. Instead these minor violations are addressed with administrative corrective action by the security organization. If they did prosecute these very minor violations then thousands of people working with classified information would be facing criminal prosecution in the United States every year because these violations occur all of the time. Instead these minor violations are always addressed with corrective action by the responsible security department.

Bottom line, as FBI Director Comey stated, there wasn't grounds for a criminal indictment because Hillary Clinton's actions, while being a breach of security protocol, didn't rise to the level where it would be criminal activity.

Bill Clinton's visit with Loretta Lynch was not secret and they weren't even alone. Other member's of the DOJ (i.e. her staff) were on Lynch's aircraft along with the flight crew.

Immunity from prosecution is often used because when granted the person must comply fully with the investigation because they can't claim that anything they say will be self-incriminating. When it's not granted a person can simply refuse to answer questions claiming their 5th Amendment Rights. It's so common in criminal investigations that it's absurd to even mention it.

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It is important to keep in mind Hillary’s emails are only what she allowed to be released. Not only did she lie about a full release of her emails a vigorous effort was made to destroy the electronic email archive on her server and all backup copies. Instead, all we have are printed incomplete emails selected by criminal coconspitators.

There is a mountain of difference between the conclusion of a corrupt investigation concluding Hillary is not criminally liable and no evidence of wrong doing.
This is complete nonsense. The State Department has fully reviewed the entire contents of about 15,000 of the 30,000 she submitted in full compliance with the law and actually found that over 9,000 were actually personal emails that were inadvertently included by accident. The FBI has fully reviewed the contents of about 17,000 of the roughly 32,000 deleted "personal" emails of Hillary Clinton's. The deletions of emails, handled by her attorney's, was based upon "Subject" for the email alone and the contents were not reviewed. The FBI didn't find any deleted emails where the "Subject" indicated State Department business but has found emails where the contents did contain limited State Department business. The FBI also found that many of these were copies of emails turned in by Hillary Clinton to the State Department. Yes, a few of these did have statements related to classified information but there was nothing nefarious or criminal associated with that.

The conclusion by the FBI was that there wasn't any nefarious attempt by Hillary Clinton to hide any emails related to State Department business, that the law requires her to turn over to the Stated Department, nor was she ever misleading in her statements to the FBI about the emails.

There's no evidence even suggesting that the investigation by the FBI under FBI Director Comey (a former Republican and Bush Administration appointee) supervision occurred. This is just another in a long list of right-wing conspiracy theories that have all lacked any evidence to support them. You can't simply "imagine" something and use that as a valid argument for anything.

Bottom Line: Regardless of any Republican delusional beliefs and/or unsupported conspiracy theories the fact is that Hillary Clinton has been cleared of any criminal acts related to her email.

Get over it and move on.............
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Well bottom line really is they always knew it was more than likely ... Probable...that weapons would end up in the hands of ISIS.
There is one underlying problem. Hillary Clinton served as Sect of State from 2009 to 2013 but ISIS didn't even exist by name until 2014. So how would Hillary Clinton even know about the future existence of ISIS while serving as the Sect of State?
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