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Default Trump refuses to back away from false claim Obama founded IS

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MIAMI (AP) -- Donald Trump repeatedly accused President Barack Obama of founding the Islamic State group on Thursday, refusing to take back a patently false allegation, despite the urging of some of his allies to do so.

A day after lobbing the attack against the president during a rowdy rally, Trump pressed ahead during a round of interviews. He brushed off conservative radio commentator Hugh Hewitt's attempt to reframe Trump's observation as one that said Obama's foreign policy created the conditions in Iraq and Syria that allowed IS to thrive.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS. I do," Trump said, using another acronym for the extremist group that has wreaked havoc from the Middle East to European cities.

Hewitt asked Trump if he would acknowledge that Obama hates the Islamic State, noting that the president is "trying to kill them." Over the past two years Obama has organized a broad coalition of countries and launched more than 10,000 U.S. airstrikes to defeat IS.

"I don't care," Trump replied. "He was the founder. The way he got out of Iraq — that was the founding of ISIS, OK?"

In a later speech to homebuilders in Miami on Thursday, he said Clinton would be given "the most valuable player award" by IS. "Her only competition is Barack Obama," he said. He later added of Clinton, "Oh boy, is ISIS hoping for her."

Clinton's campaign accused Trump of "trash-talking" the U.S. while failing to present any serious counter-terrorism plans of his own. Jake Sullivan, Clinton's top policy aide, called Trump's accusation a "false claim" and drew a connection to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"Once again, he's echoing the talking points of Putin and our adversaries to attack American leaders and American interests," Sullivan said.

In the interview with Hewitt, Trump did acknowledge the root of his argument was that if Obama "had done things property, you wouldn't have had ISIS." But he then added, "Therefore, he was the founder if ISIS."

Trump had previously said Clinton founded the militant group, but shifted the blame to Obama on Wednesday during a rally in Florida.

"In many respects, you know, they honor President Obama," Trump said Wednesday during a raucous campaign rally outside Fort Lauderdale, Florida. "He is the founder of ISIS," he said, repeating the allegation three more times for emphasis.

Trump also pointedly referred to the president by his full legal name: Barack Hussein Obama. The accusation — and his use of the president's middle name, Hussein — echoed previous instances where he's questioned Obama's religious faith? and loyalties to the country.

In June, when a shooter who claimed allegiance to IS killed 49 people in an Orlando, Florida, nightclub, Trump seemed to suggest Obama was sympathetic to the group when he said Obama "doesn't get it, or he gets it better than anybody understands."

In the past, Trump has also falsely suggested Obama is a Muslim or was born in Kenya, where Obama's father was from. The president, a Christian, was born in Hawaii.

As he works to keep his campaign message on track, Trump in recent days has sometimes tried to clarify controversial statements by arguing he was being misinterpreted. But given the opportunity Thursday morning by Hewitt and others to take back the claim that Obama founded the terror group, Trump did the opposite.

"He was the founder, absolutely the founder," Trump said on CNBC. "In fact he gets the — in sports, they have awards. He gets the most valuable player award."

Trump has long blamed Obama and his former secretary of state — Clinton — for their Mideast policy. Republicans believe that the U.S. decision to leave Iraq in 2011 created a power vacuum that allowed al-Qaida in Iraq, a subsidiary of the larger terror group al-Qaida, to morph into the 30,000-strong Islamic State group that in 2014 seized a third of Syria and Iraq.

The U.S. has led a coalition of a dozen Western and Arab countries in a sustained airstrike campaign — backed by Iraqi ground forces — that have cut the group in half and cost it 45 percent of its territory. Yet, the group still inspires or backs terror attacks around the world.

The White House declined to comment on Trump's accusation.

The Islamic State group began as Iraq's local affiliate of al-Qaida, the group that attacked the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001. But the group carried out massive attacks against Iraq's Shiite Muslim majority, fueling tensions with al-Qaida's central leadership, which blames its grievances on the West. The local group's then-leader, Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was killed in 2006 in a U.S. airstrike but is still seen as the Islamic State group's founder.
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Yup, said it was sarcasm.

Donald Trump Explains Calling Obama the 'Founder of ISIS' as Sarcasm - ABC News
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The left doesn't understand sarcasm or facetiousness.
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I don't think the left has a sense of humor either.
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I don't think the left has a sense of humor either.
Only if Bill Maher or John Stewart are telling the jokes.
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The left doesn't understand sarcasm or facetiousness.
There was a thread earlier talking about this before Trump later changed his tune.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...tml#post834231

I find it funny that NO right-winger posted anything on that thread saying "Guys! He was just being sarcastic!"

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"Poe's law" was originally written by Nathan Poe in 2005, in a post on christianforums.com, an Internet forum about Christianity. The post was written in the context of a debate about creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious."[4] Poe then replied, "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly [sic] impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article."[1] The original statement of Poe's law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

In part, Poe's post reiterated advice often posted on Internet forums, about the need to clearly mark sarcasm and parody (e.g. with a smiling emoticon) to avoid confusion. As early as 1983, Jerry Schwarz, in a post on Usenet, wrote:

Avoid sarcasm and facetious remarks.

Without the voice inflection and body language of personal communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways smile, :-), has become widely accepted on the net as an indication that "I'm only kidding". If you submit a satiric item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.[5]
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There was a thread earlier talking about this before Trump later changed his tune.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...tml#post834231

I find it funny that NO right-winger posted anything on that thread saying "Guys! He was just being sarcastic!"

Trump is a living embodiment of Poe's law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
"Poe's law" was originally written by Nathan Poe in 2005, in a post on christianforums.com, an Internet forum about Christianity. The post was written in the context of a debate about creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious."[4] Poe then replied, "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly [sic] impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article."[1] The original statement of Poe's law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

In part, Poe's post reiterated advice often posted on Internet forums, about the need to clearly mark sarcasm and parody (e.g. with a smiling emoticon) to avoid confusion. As early as 1983, Jerry Schwarz, in a post on Usenet, wrote:

Avoid sarcasm and facetious remarks.

Without the voice inflection and body language of personal communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways smile, :-), has become widely accepted on the net as an indication that "I'm only kidding". If you submit a satiric item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.[5]
Yeah, I can see that. I guess you have to know the personality of the person a little bit to see their Sarcasm. It's like Rush Limbaugh, he says stuff that I laugh at because I know how he jokes around, but to a first time listener they will go . WTF?
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Default Re: Trump refuses to back away from false claim Obama founded IS

Oh to go back to the Sarah Palin days to point out where the Dems also used "Targets" as metaphors.


Bu seriously speaking folks,,,,,;
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Do you folks really believe that Trump does not know the definition of the words "founder or founded"?
The man graduated from Wharton.

Of course it was sarcasm.

Seems to me the lefts' reaction to Trump has changed quite a bit since the conventions. Before he locked up the nomination he was just a source of entertainment and a target for jokes.

Now that it is the lefts' ox that is getting gored, the level of vitriol has ratcheted up noticeably.

Well maybe it will be the next press mesmerizing, attention garnering, bat shyt crazy thing he says that takes him down.
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Seems to me the lefts' reaction to Trump has changed quite a bit since the conventions.
I'd say it is the rights reaction that has changed. And they are dropping him like a led balloon.
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