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So what is the plan of action in Europe and the UK? What have your politicians come up with to insure your safety? Milo Y., a flashy provocative chap, has arrived on our shores from the UK with a message of warning. With all do respect to Europe and the UK, some of us here in the US want to learn from your mistakes.
The plan of action - funny you should say that! Well, on the 23 June we have a referendum on whether we should still be a member of the European Community. This referendum is huge - much bigger and more important than our elections for a government which we have every five years. To an extent being an island we do have more control than the other 27 countries of the EU.

Immigration (legal or illegal) is a massive problem here and we are groaning under the strain. We have 65 million people crammed into an island less than the size of Texas.

If we leave the EU then we don't have to pander to silly rules and regulations regarding immigration, although it is not just the numbers but the quality and if they mean us harm or not.

We do have lots of immigrants here because of the British Commonwealth as well with immigrants from India, Pakistan, the Caribbean, parts of Africa etc. We are paying the price of colonisation in that we have to take people in.
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The plan of action - funny you should say that! Well, on the 23 June we have a referendum on whether we should still be a member of the European Community. This referendum is huge - much bigger and more important than our elections for a government which we have every five years. To an extent being an island we do have more control than the other 27 countries of the EU.

Immigration (legal or illegal) is a massive problem here and we are groaning under the strain. We have 65 million people crammed into an island less than the size of Texas.

If we leave the EU then we don't have to pander to silly rules and regulations regarding immigration, although it is not just the numbers but the quality and if they mean us harm or not.

We do have lots of immigrants here because of the British Commonwealth as well with immigrants from India, Pakistan, the Caribbean, parts of Africa etc. We are paying the price of colonisation in that we have to take people in.
I see where the leavers are ahead of the stayers in a poll. Does that sound about right? Will the Orlando massacre affect this referendum? Your referendum isn't front page news over here and it probably should be. Can you tell us how you lean and your reasons?
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The plan of action - funny you should say that! Well, on the 23 June we have a referendum on whether we should still be a member of the European Community. This referendum is huge - much bigger and more important than our elections for a government which we have every five years. To an extent being an island we do have more control than the other 27 countries of the EU.

Immigration (legal or illegal) is a massive problem here and we are groaning under the strain. We have 65 million people crammed into an island less than the size of Texas.

If we leave the EU then we don't have to pander to silly rules and regulations regarding immigration, although it is not just the numbers but the quality and if they mean us harm or not.

We do have lots of immigrants here because of the British Commonwealth as well with immigrants from India, Pakistan, the Caribbean, parts of Africa etc. We are paying the price of colonisation in that we have to take people in.
That is a huge deal, also one of the reasons our feds did not raise interest rates yesterday. Our economy is stagnant, and we have the lowest worker participation rate in 38 years. So many people quit looking for jobs and/or went on disability that our unemployment rate keeps looking better.
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I see where the leavers are ahead of the stayers in a poll. Does that sound about right? Will the Orlando massacre affect this referendum? Your referendum isn't front page news over here and it probably should be. Can you tell us how you lean and your reasons?
Yes, it was even, and although I support staying in the EU, mainly for the economy, employment etc., it does seem the leavers are slightly ahead in polls. We know from experience though of our last election in May of last year that polls cannot be relied upon.

The Orlando massacre is being talked about here of course but mainly to the point of a Muslim trying to come to terms with his sexuality and also gun control rather than a jihadist carrying out mass murder.

Obama did in fact come here a couple of weeks ago or so and actually addressed the media here advising us not to leave the European Union, which we were all agog at! It really was nothing to do with him. He said we would go to the back of the line in trade with the USA if we left the EU.

I really believe we need to stay a member of the EU, but changes need to be made. We should not go it alone. Most politicians and economists believe we should stay in the EU. David Cameron called the referendum as the population have been crying out for one. Immigration is the key worry here. Also people are upset we give the EU 55 million pounds a week (77 million dollars every week). There is lots wrong with being a member, but there would be far more serious problems if we leave, which may not manifest themselves immediately but over the months and years would.

There is talk that David Cameron will step down from his position as Prime Minister if the vote goes against him. Also the RemaIN campaign has played a bit of a dirty campaign whilst the Leave campaign have kept their cool, which is bad for RemaIn.

I personally think that although the polls are slightly in favour of leaving, the electorate will decide to vote to RemaIn.

Also the younger generation, who of course are the important voters are likely to vote RemaIn.
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