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Old 04-13-2016, 09:34 PM
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The FBI cracked a San Bernardino terrorist’s phone with the help of professional hackers who discovered and brought to the bureau at least one previously unknown software flaw, according to people familiar with the matter.

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The U.S. government now has to weigh whether to disclose the flaws to Apple, a decision that probably will be made by a White House-led group.

The people who helped the U.S. government come from the sometimes shadowy world of hackers and security researchers who profit from finding flaws in companies’ software or systems.

Some hackers, known as “white hats,” disclose the vulnerabilities to the firms responsible for the software or to the public so they can be fixed and are generally regarded as ethical. Others, called “black hats,” use the information to hack networks and steal people’s personal information.

At least one of the people who helped the FBI in the San Bernardino case falls into a third category, often considered ethically murky: researchers who sell flaws — for instance, to governments or to companies that make surveillance tools.

This last group, dubbed “gray hats,” can be controversial. Critics say they might be helping governments spy on their own citizens. Their tools, however, might also be used to track terrorists or hack an adversary spying on the United States. These researchers do not disclose the flaws to the companies responsible for the software, as the exploits’ value depends on the software remaining vulnerable.

In the case of the San Bernardino iPhone, the solution brought to the bureau has limited shelf life.

FBI Director James B. Comey has said that the solution works only on iPhone 5Cs running the iOS 9 operating system — what he calls a “narrow slice” of phones.

Apple said last week that it would not sue the government to gain access to the solution.

Still, many security and privacy experts have been calling on the government to disclose the vulnerability data to Apple so that the firm can patch it.

If the government shares data on the flaws with Apple, “they’re going to fix it and then we’re back where we started from,” Comey said last week in a discussion at Ohio’s Kenyon College. Nonetheless, he said Monday in Miami, “we’re considering whether to make that disclosure or not.”
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Well, if this were truly about just one phone (as some people still try to pretend) then it should be a no-brainer.
But wait. The FBI already admitted that was a falsehood.

So now the government must weigh whether to help fix a vulnerability that some Americans still have ...
... or do they keep silent on it on the possibility that they could make use of the exact same vulnerability on "a “narrow slice” of phones."


Make Americans safer now...
... or sit on it for the possibility that it may benefit the government in the future.

What a repugnant development that is...



One other thing that should stick out in people's mind...
There was never any evidence the phone had anything of worth in the first place.
And now that the phone is cracked, the government could proclaim they found something of worth that was delayed weeks.
Or they could keep silent if nothing was found...

And they aren't saying anything, are they...
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Funny part is Apple is now asking the FBI to show them the hacking device they used so they can make their phones more secure.

The FBI should tell Apple to go f*ck themselves.
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Funny part is Apple is now asking the FBI to show them the hacking device they used so they can make their phones more secure.
The FBI should tell Apple to go f*ck themselves.
Why?

The phone had nothing of value and the government was demanding to make people less safe.
And now the government has the opportunity to make people more safe, and you want to be petty.

While your response doesn't surprise me, we should be dealing with grown-ups here...

Report: Nothing useful found on San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone
The San Bernardino terrorist's iPhone that the Department of Justice (DoJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) said was critical in their investigation has absolutely nothing useful on it, at least so far.
Yes, the same iPhone that was subject of so much attention from the past few months.
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While I think it is right of apple to refuse to help the FBI crack the phone, the FBI once they have a warrant is to find a means to crack the phone open and is not under any obligation to reveal to apple how they cracked it.
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So the government is in possession of a million sq ft 1.5 billion dollar facility, employing over 200 of the best and brightest IT geeks that was justified under the patriot act for this very reason, and they cannot crack a single I phone but a couple of geeks can accomplish the task in a few weeks for a one time fee.

Either somebody's lying or incompetent. Probably both.

And this is the same government that is going to make our health care system better and cheaper.
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While I think it is right of apple to refuse to help the FBI crack the phone, the FBI once they have a warrant is to find a means to crack the phone open and is not under any obligation to reveal to apple how they cracked it.
Only obligation is to try to help make this country safer for its citizens...
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Government claimed they couldn't do it without Apple, yet of course they managed to do it without Apple's help. John Mcafee publicly offered to do it for the FBI, why not take the help? Clearly the government wanted to be able to hack any iPhone they wanted and that's the equivalent of an illegal search. I think Apple did the right thing.
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