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Looks Like Giuliani joins in with the lying about Muslims celebrating 9-11. What is with this need to believe there were Muslims celebrating in America. NOBODY cand find ANY PROOF that this ever happened. Now Giulianini's people say he must of heard about it orally. Orally!!! I'm not even religious bur JESUS CHRIST! Why do these people need to try to put some taint on Muslims? To appeal to bigots? Giuliani takes a story about a Muslims who owns a candy store being attacked and turns it into a story where the Muslim was celebrating. What an igorant fuqer.



We are now into week two of the media’s obsession with Donald Trump‘s claim to have seen thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11, a claim that is at once patently false and worthy of endless debate. Enter former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani to make the whole thing even more absurd.

This should have been an easy, one-day story, because what Trump said is fairly easy to debunk:

“I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.”

There is no ambiguity in Trump’s claim; he says he watched thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrate, which flatly did not happen. Yet when he presents, as evidence, a completely unsourced report of a handful of rooftop celebrations, one single report, the media acts like this is now a conversation. The Washington Post reporter who wrote that story has become a sympathetic figure because Trump mocked his disability (he absolutely did), but Serge Kovaleski did an absolutely terrible job on that report. He published an unattributed, explosive rumor that turned out to be false, and did not correct or retract it. Remember, his report didn’t just say there were celebrations, it said cops detained and questioned people for celebrating. That’s checkable, and it did not happen.

Even if it did, Trump’s still a liar, yet somehow, the possibility that any Muslim ever celebrated 9/11 in America has come to constitute wiggle room for Donald Trump. Enter Mark Halperin, who tweeted this odd bit of nonsense Tuesday morning:




“Not proof but contemporaneous citation?” In what alternate Spock’s-got-a-beard universe does that mean anything to a journalist? All it really means is that the columnist Halperin cites, Fred Siegal, listened to the same rumors that Kovaleski apparently felt worthy of print, but unworthy of attribution. Delete your journalism account, Mark Halperin.

Here’s where Giuliani comes in, because if Halperin’s “contemporaneous citation” gets your juices flowing, you’ll love Giuliani’s rap. In an interview with CNN’s New Day Tuesday morning, Giuliani weakly tried to semi-bunk Trump’s claim by saying that he knew of “pockets of celebration” in New York City, “some in Queens, some in Brooklyn,” constituting up to 40 people. What’s telling, though, is the one specific example Giuliani gives, which appears to rely on the word of people who literally bashed Muslims:

“We had one situation in which a candy store owned by a Muslim family was celebrating that day, right near a housing development, and the kids in the housing development came in and beat them up. And I think both facts were corroborated to be true. They were celebrating that the towers had come down, some of the kids in the housing development got upset about it, and they came in and did a pretty good job of beating them up.”

Giuliani doesn’t say how these “facts” were corroborated, but it’s a safe bet that the candy store owners didn’t tell cops “Well, we were kinda celebrating, so I guess we had it coming.” If those are the kinds of reports Giuliani was relying on, I wouldn’t give them any more credence than the thousands of FBI raids my neighbors and coworkers swore they saw in the days following the attacks.

None of this is to say that it’s not possible that some Muslims somewhere in America might have celebrated the attacks. We saw footage of the Palestinians on the West Bank whooping it up, and with all the smoke to go along with that fire, it feels true. But that’s not what journalism is about; it’s about what is true and what you can prove is true. So far, there is zero proof, only rumor, and now, the media is uncritically accepting the word of people who beat up Muslims as proof that those Muslims were celebrating the attacks. This conversation should be over.

Update: Yep, MSNBC dug up this account of an incident involving a candy store that sounds like the incident that Giuliani described, but not exactly the same:

Yesterday I saw first-hand how anger over the World Trade Center attack turns on Muslims who call New York home. At 4:30 p.m. on 116th St., five black teenagers stopped in front of the American Muslim Community of East Harlem site – a closet-sized candy store with a make-shift mosque in a back room. Tiny store owner Muhammad Chaudhry stood in the doorway. One of the teenage boys asked him, “Do you feel sorry for America?

“The kid then gave Chaudhry a knock-out punch in the face that sent him reeling backwards and onto the floor. Blood spurted all over his plaid shirt, the linoleum floor and a pair of sneakers left by a man who was praying. Chaudhry’s dentures cracked in two. As bystanders helped Chaudhry to a chair and got him some paper towels, the kids took off north across 116th Street. Despite an all-out effort to track down the puncher, cops and witnesses couldn’t find him. Chaudhry, who works seven days a week, has raised seven kids – one a doctor in Brooklyn treating this week’s wounded.

Don’t feel bad, conservatives, at least you can add this to your “knock-out game” canon.

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A Blog Mikeyy? Where in the world did you dig up that website?
Look it up. Giulianu was on TV making this claim about this candy store owner. The only story about a candy store owner at the time was this Muslim guy who owns a store. Some black youths beat him up because he was Muslim. He did nothing. No celebration. No nothing. But Giuliani made this claim.

Simple question Cat. Don't you think all the media companies have been scouring the files to find anything that proves Trump or Doocy's or Giuliani's stories? Of course they are. The reporter that finds something to prove their story will be an instant star. And don't you think that the stories around 9-11 are the most likey to be kept somewhere? Of course they would. If there was any proof it wouldn't have been hard to find. You know it.
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well here's my anecdotal evidence for what it's worth. on 911, We went to a tiny store inside a motel complex to buy cigarettes. The owner and his wife followed us out the door and clung to us in the parking lot gesticulation and laughing as one would do with family or very close friends ; lingering longer than was seemly. We left there knowing they were afraid as they waved their overt goodbyes to an "American" family, so that surrounding traffic could see they were "O.K."
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Wow, this Trump adviser is a total bullsh-t artist.

Just like the candidate himself.

Trump is always right, Trump is the real victim lolololol.
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Wow, this Trump adviser is a total bullsh-t artist.

Just like the candidate himself.

Trump is always right, Trump is the real victim lolololol.
Hillary is a fuqing liar to.

So I guess they are even....

Trump sure does rile you lefties up though..

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