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Our Nobel Peace Prize president is killing more people than necessary.

US drone strikes killing many more than intended, report says | Fox News

The U.S. is killing far more people than intended in some drone strikes, according to a report likely to raise new questions about the Obama administration's reliance on drones in its battle against Islamic terrorists.

The Intercept, in a wide-ranging set of articles on the U.S. drone program, reported that in one five month-period, nearly 90 percent of people killed by strikes in an operation in northeastern Afghanistan were not the intended targets. The news outlet reports documents detailing Operation Haymaker show that the campaign, that lasted between January 2012 and February 2013, killed more than 200 people, but only 35 were the intended targets.

The White House and Pentagon boast that the program is precise and civilian deaths are relatively minimal.

But documents suggest that in Yemen and Somalia, where American intelligence capabilities are more limited, the percentage of non-targets killed could be even higher.

“Anyone caught in the vicinity is guilty by association,” a source told The Intercept. “[When] a drone strike kills more than one person, there is no guarantee that those persons deserved their fate. … So it’s a phenomenal gamble.”

The report was based on a cache of secret slides that offer information about the military’s kill/capture operations between 2011 and 2013 and "outline the internal views" of special ops on the shortcomings of the controversial drone program.

Though used by the Bush administration, the drone program has been ramped up significantly by the Obama administration in terror hotspots such as Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq as part of the fight against terrorist groups.
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Two things, First this story is badly spun. Secondly, would you rather send in Americans on the ground. Oh and a third thing. I thought you were complaining were weren't killing enough people.
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Our Nobel Peace Prize president is killing more people than necessary.

US drone strikes killing many more than intended, report says | Fox News

The U.S. is killing far more people than intended in some drone strikes, according to a report likely to raise new questions about the Obama administration's reliance on drones in its battle against Islamic terrorists.

The Intercept, in a wide-ranging set of articles on the U.S. drone program, reported that in one five month-period, nearly 90 percent of people killed by strikes in an operation in northeastern Afghanistan were not the intended targets. The news outlet reports documents detailing Operation Haymaker show that the campaign, that lasted between January 2012 and February 2013, killed more than 200 people, but only 35 were the intended targets.

The White House and Pentagon boast that the program is precise and civilian deaths are relatively minimal.

But documents suggest that in Yemen and Somalia, where American intelligence capabilities are more limited, the percentage of non-targets killed could be even higher.

“Anyone caught in the vicinity is guilty by association,” a source told The Intercept. “[When] a drone strike kills more than one person, there is no guarantee that those persons deserved their fate. … So it’s a phenomenal gamble.”

The report was based on a cache of secret slides that offer information about the military’s kill/capture operations between 2011 and 2013 and "outline the internal views" of special ops on the shortcomings of the controversial drone program.

Though used by the Bush administration, the drone program has been ramped up significantly by the Obama administration in terror hotspots such as Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq as part of the fight against terrorist groups.
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Two things, First this story is badly spun. Secondly, would you rather send in Americans on the ground. Oh and a third thing. I thought you were complaining were weren't killing enough people.
I'm just bringing up the fact the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize is killing a lot more people than intended.
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I'm just bringing up the fact the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize is killing a lot more people than intended.
And the man who the prize is named after Alfred Nobel, a chemist who created dynamite. Curious world Hairy.
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As seen by mikeyy's response some on the left DON'T really care about Dead civilians when the a D president does it.
I was complaining when Bush used them . especially in countries we aren't at war with.

But Obama has taken Bush's beginning and taken it to another level.
Killing innocents at funerals, untried american citizens and more around the world just by slapping the label "terrorist on them.

there's been some consistent leftist that have complained but the bulk got lockjaw when Obama started doing it.

Nobel Prize winner Malala told Obama U.S. drone attacks fuel terrorism
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/1...told.html?rh=1


Docs show CIA Mass Drone Death Strikes Killed Few al-Qaeda Leaders
DailyTech - Docs Show CIA's Mass Drone Death Strikes Killed Few al-Qaeda Leaders




U.S. drones targeting rescuers and mourners
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...s-in-pakistan/

U.S. drones targeting rescuers and mourners - Salon.com
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It doesn't say they were civilians. It says they were not the intended target
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As seen by mikeyy's response some on the left DON'T really care about Dead civilians when the a D president does it.
I was complaining when Bush used them . especially in countries we aren't at war with.

But Obama has taken Bush's beginning and taken it to another level.
Killing innocents at funerals, untried american citizens and more around the world just by slapping the label "terrorist on them.

there's been some consistent leftist that have complained but the bulk got lockjaw when Obama started doing it.

Nobel Prize winner Malala told Obama U.S. drone attacks fuel terrorism
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/1...told.html?rh=1


Docs show CIA Mass Drone Death Strikes Killed Few al-Qaeda Leaders
DailyTech - Docs Show CIA's Mass Drone Death Strikes Killed Few al-Qaeda Leaders




U.S. drones targeting rescuers and mourners
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...s-in-pakistan/

U.S. drones targeting rescuers and mourners - Salon.com
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It doesn't say they were civilians. It says they were not the intended target
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Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says

Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says - CNN.com


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U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.

The study by Stanford Law School and New York University’s School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low — about 2%.

“TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 – 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 – 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 – 1,362 individuals,” according to the Stanford/NYU study.

Based on interviews with witnesses, victims and experts, the report accuses the CIA of “double-striking” a target, moments after the initial hit, thereby killing first responders....

It also highlights harm "beyond death and physical injury," publishing accounts of psychological trauma experienced by people living in Pakistan's tribal northwest region, who it says hear drones hover 24 hours a day.

"Before this we were all very happy," the report quotes an anonymous resident as saying. "But after these drones attacks a lot of people are victims and have lost members of their family. A lot of them, they have mental illnesses."...

Did I mention that we’re not at war with Pakistan or many other of the countries Obama is killing civilians in?



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I don't mind drone strikes...AS LONG AS they are as precise as POSSIBLE (I don't expect perfection...I understand there will be collateral damage)...

The problem I have with this is the 97% of the Leftwing that are perfectly silent while Obama continues this Bush tactic they were screaming their yambags over during the Pre-Messiah days...Hypocrisy is a way of life...
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I think you confuse what Bush did with what Obama does.


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I don't mind drone strikes...AS LONG AS they are as precise as POSSIBLE (I don't expect perfection...I understand there will be collateral damage)...

The problem I have with this is the 97% of the Leftwing that are perfectly silent while Obama continues this Bush tactic they were screaming their yambags over during the Pre-Messiah days...Hypocrisy is a way of life...
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I think you confuse what Bush did with what Obama does.
Nope...

From a Lefty media outlet...Two years ago...

On drones, Obama is Bush

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Concerning the acceptance of aerial drones to kill individuals, what is the difference between George W. Bush and Barack Obama?

“Zero,”
says Micah Zenko of the Council on Foreign Relations.

President Bush authorized about 50 non-battlefield drone strikes. President Obama, who has more drones to fight with, has launched more than five times as many drone strikes, all in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. The count at year-end from both was 411 strikes and 3,430 dead, according to Zenko’s new paper, “Reforming U.S. Drone Strike Policies.”

When Bush was president, a political movement arose to protest this sort of thing. It was the anti-war movement. When Obama was elected, the movement went away. War didn’t; the movement did.

Is killing different when a Democrat does it
?


...A drone is a weapon of war. Eventually, the question of when to use drones leads to the question of when to go to war, and what war consists of. It is too easy to say that the world has a new kind of war, that we are in it and have no choice about it. We have choices. To say, “We have no choice” is an attempt to talk people out of the choices they have.

You can hear our government’s choices in its words. Recall the white paper released last week insisting every drone strike has been against an “imminent threat,” and at the same time urging “a broader concept of imminence.” And further, that killing by drone raises constitutional considerations, but that, “there exists no appropriate judicial forum to evaluate these constitutional considerations.”

Does that sound like the Bush people? It does.

It’s the Obama people
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